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[mosllam]

at first I like to thank all the openpli team

 

the image is olmost perfect

 

I have tried many many times and no crash ever not even ones unless I do something rong on perpose

 

and now I believe its with the new kernel 3.6.9

 

I tried with the new ( open spa 4.2 ) on flash and using multiboot I was able to use many images on a usb stick

 

open pli is the one that I complete the setup and but my favorite and sat

 

starting from 37.5 west with C Band and 30 west with kuband up to 100 east kuband and 105 east with cband

 

I live in cairo and arish in north sinya both towns is in Egypt

 

I have a hoppy of catching any sat or frequwncy out the coverage map like europian covarge of astra 19 - the Russian sat - the asin sat ...

 

-- the one and only problem for me with the openpli image is catching a new  and week signal  away from coverge map

 

-- with the other image *** you know it iam able to to point the dih graduly to that sat using e-w motor and n-s motor

 

-- using satfinder menu--  the more the dish became closer to the  new sat the more the ( S.N.R ) bar increses until i have a sigle and start to program that new sat

 

-- but this is the only thing that I can not do with open pli imge and hope there is a solution for that

 

-- with sat finder menu in open pli the ( S.N.R ) bar is zero (0) and does not move at all unless the dish is pointed perfectly to that new sat

 

-- and this is imposble

 

-- so is there any way in image  setting to change that

 

-- or at lest some plugin I can use helping me to point  the dish to the right direction of  a weeker sat

 

sorry for the long post and hope for an answer soon

 

 

[Micky]

Take Positioner setup to find new sats.

 

 

Micky

[Huevos]

at [...]-- with sat finder menu in open pli the ( S.N.R ) bar is zero (0) and does not move at all unless the dish is pointed perfectly to that new sat

That is down to the hardware. And by the way that is how a digital signal is. It is either locked or it is not. The concept that the reception gradually improves as you move the dish is an analogue thing

[mosllam]

Take Positioner setup to find new sats.

 

 

Micky

thanks for reply

 

iam not sure if I understand what you mean

 

iam using an old analog reciver as a positioner

 

36 inch 36v motor

 

witn a big 220cm dish but it has a poor quality

 

you can say it equal a 150 cm offset europian dish

 

you see I can not use the positioner setup to guide the motor to any sat

[mosllam]

 

at [...]-- with sat finder menu in open pli the ( S.N.R ) bar is zero (0) and does not move at all unless the dish is pointed perfectly to that new sat

That is down to the hardware. And by the way that is how a digital signal is. It is either locked or it is not. The concept that the reception gradually improves as you move the dish is an analogue thing

 

 

you might right about hardware

 

but the signal realy increase if I came closer to the  sat in satfinder menu

 

yesterday morning ( Friday ) using that way I was able to recive a new sat

 

nss6 at 95 east the coverage is faraway from me in cairo

 

the signal is very weak

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[Micky]

Why did you use a analog receiver as positioner? It's more sensitive then a digital receiver? You know a digital signal is not like a analog signal. Analog signals has a wide range to see a bad picture.

 

 

Micky

[mosllam]

Why did you use a analog receiver as positioner? It's more sensitive then a digital receiver? You know a digital signal is not like a analog signal. Analog signals has a wide range to see a bad picture.

 

 

Micky

 

it will take a long post to give you the full picture

 

the market here is full of 10s grade super cheep china goods

 

if I want to buy some better quality its from gulf state like uae

 

I bought the inverto Ultra from there and put a scaler ring on it

 

the cost is much higher ( shipping + customs )

 

the dish poler axis is not in good shape and it moves a lot

 

the cooper at the two end of the axe is very poor quality and need replacement

 

but it has to be made in private work shop with no garante for good result

 

I have to use two motor to point the dish right close to the end of east ark

 

the only one here with a place for two motor is an old analog one

 

Benjamin 6500 a copy of some old amercain one

 

iam trying to buy a new positioner from uae ( Eurostar )

 

It says that it works with disque c 1.2

 

but I might have to buy two instead of one

 

the ulternative is to buy a real dish like gibertini 150 but its expensive

 

mine a 220 cm local made one costs about 75 doller

 

the gib 150 cm might cost more than 600 euro

[Jan Gruuthuse]

Important: is you have selected in tune an active transponder for the satellite you are searching, preferable an FTA channel, selecting search west or east should suffice.

[mosllam]

Important: is you have selected in tune an active transponder for the satellite you are searching, preferable an FTA channel, selecting search west or east should suffice.

 

thank you

I need to completely understand this point

 

which one should I choose

 

I download the sat xml from one site

 

then go to satfinder menu

 

and choose some transponder from  one sat in tuner A like astra 19

 

like ( 10832 h ) it has a signale  but just for a few houres in the evening

 

but if the signale is too weak to lock the SNR bar stays ( 0% )

 

SNR bar does not move at all unless it has a lock

 

it jump from ( 0% ) to ( 45% )

 

and when the signal go weak again it sudinly go back to ( 0% )

 

is there any more steps or different choice ?

[Micky]

Try to use something like this:

 

http://www.google.de....84349003,d.ZWU

 

 

Micky

[Jan Gruuthuse]

Most likely you get a success using the Europe Wide (Ku band) of astra 1M on this frequentie 11627 V DVB-S  22000-5/6 FTA  CNN International Europe should probably work to find the satellite, lock and fine tune.

[mosllam]

Try to use something like this:

 

http://www.google.de....84349003,d.ZWU

 

 

Micky

 

thanks for reply

 

I already use something simller but only when setting a new dish

 

I use a cheep digital reciver which give me the signal meter on the front disply

 

china made SD one cost about 9 us doller

 

two weeks ago I use it to set up a ( small ) offset dish

 

small in quality -- big in size ??

 

a local made 100 cm offset as a motorized dish

 

I mount  it on a prime focus poler - adjust the offset angle ( 20 deg )

 

it works fine from 15W to 90E

 

before 15W and after 90E there is some bulding that block the way to sat

 

I use a hand made declination angle meter

 

not perfect but it do the job

 

I cant offord to buy a diseque c motor from shopping sites cost more than a 100 euro

 

after setting the dish I some time use a mobile phone with vu player signal meter for fine tuning

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[Micky]

Very cool dish! Rusty because of sandstorm?

 

 

Micky

[mosllam]

Very cool dish! Rusty because of sandstorm?

 

 

Micky

 

right but the main reson is very poor paint iob

 

some coastal cites like Alexandria the dish alomost dissolve into small pecies of rust just after two years

 

I bought it like that but  I intend to paint it soon

[Micky]

Ok, I unterstand. Best is a GFK dish I think. No rust.

 

Prime time dishes are not bad, but offset dishes are more efficieny. Ok, they are not cheap. But in your case the higher price is ok because of rust, sand and salt.

 

Which satellites did you receive? My favourite channels are from MBC. I receive it on 7° W with a 1,20 meter dish and on 26.0° E with a 1,00 meter dish. Both are offset dishes.

 

 

Micky

[mosllam]

Ok, I unterstand. Best is a GFK dish I think. No rust.

 

Prime time dishes are not bad, but offset dishes are more efficieny. Ok, they are not cheap. But in your case the higher price is ok because of rust, sand and salt.

 

Which satellites did you receive? My favourite channels are from MBC. I receive it on 7° W with a 1,20 meter dish and on 26.0° E with a 1,00 meter dish. Both are offset dishes.

 

 

Micky

 

I know there is a very good offset dishes sold in europ

 

the problem is the high price and big shipping cost

 

I got a chance to buy a high quality offset dih

 

inverto 90 cm steel I know its not the best but its much better than local dishes

 

I bought from the dealer in UAE but I was stuppied and I shipped it by a small unknown shipping company

 

because of bad shipping it was bend and damaged and I spend some houres try to make it straight

 

even so it got a better signal  than 130 cm local made prime focus

 

the dealer in UAE told me that he will give me anther one as a gift ( 120 cm steel )

 

it will be shipped in wooden cage in a small private car

 

ofcorse I want a better one . like a CM 180cm offset . its a dream

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in cairo I recive from 22W to 95E

 

it should be from 45W to 110E but high buldings block the way

 

but many coverage beam is imposible yo recive like Nordic beam on THOR 1W  UK beam on astra21  Russian beam on yamal300k 90E and many other sat

 

I like the discovery channels - nat geo - nat geo wild

 

the best was on astra2 11876 but now it moves to astra 2E eu beam and I cannot recive it  

 

I olso watch F1 races on sky sport f1 on astra2 on 12110

 

the problem that I spend more time try to recive   a new sat rather than watching what I allredy have

[mosllam]

Most likely you get a success using the Europe Wide (Ku band) of astra 1M on this frequentie 11627 V DVB-S  22000-5/6 FTA  CNN International Europe should probably work to find the satellite, lock and fine tune.

 

sorry I did not notice your post until now

 

astra 1M wide beam is very easy to recive here . a local 60cm offset will be fine ( only in good weather cond ) 90cm in all cond

 

1M EU Beam I olso recive many freq like 10847 10788 12265 12480 on prime focus 217 cm inverto ultra

 

the same with 1N like 12207 12226 12324 120383

 

1KR too like 10803 11361 11377

 

but many sat does not have a strong coverage baem here like astra 2 28E thicom 78.5E intelsat15 85E -- ses6  40W C Band

 

here I need some help from satfinder menu to point the dish till I get a lock then I try  fine tuning

[Jan Gruuthuse]

Give for both websites your exact location. Check:

- if you're in satelite footprint: Satbeams

- line of site, also disch allignment: Dishpointer

 

With dishpointer:

- on the map drag the green icon of satellite dish to exact location where the dish is situated.

- select the a satellite you wish to check

- then mark in options (where map is showing) the box:  [v] show obstacle (line of sight checker)

- zoom in to map and place the red balloon icon on any obstacle on the green line, it should tell the distance to object and hight of object. So you can tell if it blocks your dish.

 

- additional sat related information: Satlex.de

» Technical
» Calculator for azimuth and elevation angle
» Calculation of setting values for installing an WaveFrontier Toroidal antenna
» Calculator for elevation of an obstacle
» Calculator for F/D ratio of a prime focus antenna
» Calculator for antenna efficiency
» Calculation of half-power beam width (aperture angle)
» Converter for Noise Figure and Noise Temperature
» EIRP Values
» EIRP Values for Ku band
» EIRP Values for C band
» LNB Types for the Ku band
» Antenna types for satellite reception
» Configurations
» Configurations for 1 participant
» Configurations for 2 participants
» Configurations for 4 participants
» Configurations for 8 participants
» Configurations for 12 participants
» Configurations for 16 participants
» DiSEqC
» DiSEqC 1.0: all 16 switch options
» Switching scheme of DiSEqC receiver
» DiSEqC for Technicians
» Questions and answers (FAQ)
» FAQ - DiSEqC
» FAQ - Multifeed
» FAQ - Dish Installation
» FAQ - Receivers
» FAQ - Reception

and many more info to be found.

[mimisiku]

Had the same dream when I started with satellite reception.. Started off with an Amstrad SRX310 analogue set and 80cm dish. I live in Northern Europe. After Astra 1 I decided to motorise my dish-setup. Received satellites from 45W up to about 45E.. Learned soon enough that some satellites have a footprint that lay beyond my scope. No matter the size of the dish, the beam will simply not reach you. Sad thing that the earth is round and not flat Best to allign your dish as perfectly as possible on the 'center' satellite you wish to receive. With a correctly mounted H2H you can then explore other satellites within your reach...

[mosllam]

Give for both websites your exact location. Check:

- if you're in satelite footprint: Satbeams

- line of site, also disch allignment: Dishpointer

 

With dishpointer:

- on the map drag the green icon of satellite dish to exact location where the dish is situated.

- select the a satellite you wish to check

- then mark in options (where map is showing) the box:  [v] show obstacle (line of sight checker)

- zoom in to map and place the red balloon icon on any obstacle on the green line, it should tell the distance to object and hight of object. So you can tell if it blocks your dish.

 

- additional sat related information: Satlex.de

» Technical
» Calculator for azimuth and elevation angle
» Calculation of setting values for installing an WaveFrontier Toroidal antenna
» Calculator for elevation of an obstacle
» Calculator for F/D ratio of a prime focus antenna
» Calculator for antenna efficiency
» Calculation of half-power beam width (aperture angle)
» Converter for Noise Figure and Noise Temperature
» EIRP Values
» EIRP Values for Ku band
» EIRP Values for C band
» LNB Types for the Ku band
» Antenna types for satellite reception
» Configurations
» Configurations for 1 participant
» Configurations for 2 participants
» Configurations for 4 participants
» Configurations for 8 participants
» Configurations for 12 participants
» Configurations for 16 participants
» DiSEqC
» DiSEqC 1.0: all 16 switch options
» Switching scheme of DiSEqC receiver
» DiSEqC for Technicians
» Questions and answers (FAQ)
» FAQ - DiSEqC
» FAQ - Multifeed
» FAQ - Dish Installation
» FAQ - Receivers
» FAQ - Reception

and many more info to be found.

 

sorry for late replaying and thank you

 

yes I use these three site all the time

 

knowing them some years ago I depend on them to know the exact value of angles ( satlex )

 

before that I used an old site for prime focus dish setting and tuning

 

http://www.geo-orbit...s/tuningp2.html

 

both ( dish pointer) and ( sat beam ) help to locate sat postiion

 

 two years ago I installed a bigger dish ( 160 cm p f ) in Arish

 

and I use ( satbeam )  to locate mid ark sat postion ( eutelsat 33E ) my longetude there is 33.44E

 

obstical hight in dish pointer is helpful but not when its very close

 

last time I recive asiasat 100E in cairo  was about 18 month ago then some new bulding block the way

 

there is a small gab betten two high bulding should be enoughto recive it on inverto 90cm but its very close

 

I olso tried some free prog from google store like ( satellite directory ) its good but not very acurat