Posted 16 October 2013 - 09:48
Don't know if you can give it a "definition".
But yes, it is allowed to run a closed-source application on an open source operating system, and have it talk to an open source application, as long as everything is separated.
see http://www.gnu.org/l...eeOnSameMachine
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Posted 16 October 2013 - 09:53
Related to plugins or "external" functionality: http://www.gnu.org/l...l#GPLAndPlugins
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Posted 16 October 2013 - 16:41
From opensource perspective I rather build a pc around vdpau / opengles then buying into more closed source crippleware.
The technology is available - h264 is available everywhere with more power then ever - codecs can be added..etc.
No need to make companies behave as they currently do.
Edited by pop_eye, 16 October 2013 - 16:46.
Posted 16 October 2013 - 16:45
Thanks, that clarifies a lot of things (although it is a complicated affair).Don't know if you can give it a "definition".
But yes, it is allowed to run a closed-source application on an open source operating system, and have it talk to an open source application, as long as everything is separated.
see http://www.gnu.org/l...eeOnSameMachine
Posted 16 October 2013 - 18:23
Pop_eye, don't you think that HTPC is a bit of a slow monkey...???
It seems to me that a lot of knowledge would be needed to make a dedicated OS/GUI, to make it fly the way our dedicated STBs fly...
Or not?
Posted 16 October 2013 - 18:38
Not really such a big challenge. When you check the new intel NUC..I dont see anything which is not similar or better then Broadcom, ARM or whatever.
http://en.wikipedia....it_of_Computing
About OS..please tell me one which is not available for it.
P.S. I will never put money again when they slap door in the face.
Edited by pop_eye, 16 October 2013 - 18:43.
Posted 16 October 2013 - 19:27
the PrismCube firm is essentially composed by these repositories:
setup-script.git -> that build the system env and the sources tree
frodo.git -> the Xbmc part
meta-angstrom.git -> that is the linux OE distro used for PrismCube
meta-elmo.git -> that include all the oe bb module additions to the angstrom distro
script.module.beautifulsoap.git -> you know it
script.module.elementtree -> you know too
script.module.elisinterface -> this is an important module because include all the api for the communications between the gui and maruapp
script.mbox.git -> this is the xbmc addon that is the gui used in Xbmc for pvr part and include all the gui additions to Xbmc.
All these repository are open source.
The dvb part is all closed inside the executable maruapp that is a module of meta-elmo.git
I don't think that in this way there is a violation of open source licenses. But i think that the system is too much closed and i hope that it will be be more open in the future.
Posted 16 October 2013 - 20:14
Not really such a big challenge. When you check the new intel NUC..I dont see anything which is not similar or better then Broadcom, ARM or whatever.
I have intel NUC I5 haswell with a fanless box running Linux mint.
I absolutely LOVE it 
Edited by bacicciosat, 16 October 2013 - 20:15.
Posted 16 October 2013 - 20:16
I don't think that in this way there is a violation of open source licenses. But i think that the system is too much closed and i hope that it will be be more open in the future.
I will take this advise with a grain of salt - by knowing all the decisions which are made before a product is launched to the market.
Yes, in my view the product is already dead. Why should a os developer waste his time supporting this crap load of software ?
Edited by pop_eye, 16 October 2013 - 20:17.
Posted 16 October 2013 - 20:18
I'm not sure they are looking for that. Their DVB part is headless, the frontend is XMBC and that has developers galore.
If you compare that to OpenPLi, most of the changes/fixes/features have nothing to do with the DVB part, but with GUI / user interaction / user functionality. The part that is covered by XMBC.
If it were up to me we would do the same. So I could put a simple rock-solid box in the garage with all tuners and storage, and use light-weight clients in the different rooms to pull the stream in I want to view. That would also solve the sharing and upcoming CI issue. Only one box that needs to receive and decode...
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Posted 16 October 2013 - 20:19
Not really such a big challenge. When you check the new intel NUC..I dont see anything which is not similar or better then Broadcom, ARM or whatever.
I have intel NUC I5 haswell with a fanless box running Linux mint.
I absolutely LOVE it
I share your passion. Every dollar well invested.
Posted 16 October 2013 - 20:23
If you compare that to OpenPLi, most of the changes/fixes/features have nothing to do with the DVB part, but with GUI / user interaction / user functionality. The part that is covered by XMBC.
But in that case all the optimizations will be missing. Will the manufacturer provide these for free ?
I dont believe a true open source APP such as XBMC can work without manufacturer leading role - especially when they are only providing
standard source for frodo. I tend to believe driver is not that good yet so no optimization is required.
You see, DMM made enigma2 in this way that optimization is provided in source code, and by having the os contribution all worked sort together.
Edited by pop_eye, 16 October 2013 - 20:24.
Posted 16 October 2013 - 20:28
And the DVB part is more interesting. For me at least.
No epg changes, scanning , all that sort of things - unless they use enigma2 for backend (as I noticed on another forum)
Edited by pop_eye, 16 October 2013 - 20:31.
Posted 17 October 2013 - 17:11
If it were up to me we would do the same. So I could put a simple rock-solid box in the garage with all tuners and storage, and use light-weight clients in the different rooms to pull the stream in I want to view. That would also solve the sharing and upcoming CI issue. Only one box that needs to receive and decode...
This is actually happening already with North American providers using Broadcom MoCA technology.
It will never work with a FTA manufacturer - unless they want to invest in it.
Hence my stance against Vu+ in previous posting which was removed from the forum. So..what else is left "interesting" for us diehard users ?
Not much...actually I was discussing with a forum member the other day and was mentioning this to him...that the biggest sale point for the new vuplus2 are the
4 vtuner interfaces and I am adding now the transcoding. For my own needs I will not put money in it..prefer opensource all the way, knowing
that there is not going to be added implementation in the drivers - for which I actually kinda paid for (was lured to think that they will add more features).
Am I a dreamer ? - I might be...but not stupid.
Edited by pop_eye, 17 October 2013 - 17:14.
Posted 17 October 2013 - 18:07
Not really such a big challenge. When you check the new intel NUC..I dont see anything which is not similar or better then Broadcom, ARM or whatever.
http://en.wikipedia....it_of_Computing
About OS..please tell me one which is not available for it.
P.S. I will never put money again when they slap door in the face.
Well, what I have seen so far (no that much) or have read about (aplenty) - Linux or Winblows - was always somehow messy, slow, things missing...
As opposed to a dedicated box with optimised... everything...
That was my point, so there's no misunderstanding...
And as ReelMultiMedia have gone under...
I can't do it as well as they used to...
P.S. What was removed? Vu+ critical stance? Well, that isn't novel or very hobby-killing or something strange like that to remove it? Even members of OpenPLi are quite critical of their abilities etc.
Edited by gorski, 17 October 2013 - 18:09.
Posted 17 October 2013 - 18:15
I was referring to a project one can undertake himself - since there are too many companies already playing us for fools.
If you say you are not "ready" for such venture - then IMO this is not the right hobby for you.
Nothing is slow with today hardware...
Edited by pop_eye, 17 October 2013 - 18:19.
Posted 17 October 2013 - 18:44
On paper it looks great but when it comes to decrypting something and watching it but recording something else and decrypting that as well, but in a different CAS etc. etc
Maybe I just haven't seen the right box, with 3-4 tuners, PVR part etc. etc.?
Posted 17 October 2013 - 19:05
The decrypting part is not done on box itself anyway...what else is missing ...oscam and card reader ? 
The right box is the one you build yourself for your own needs. (tuners can be added, HDD for PVR, etc.)
Edited by pop_eye, 17 October 2013 - 19:07.
Posted 17 October 2013 - 20:00
It might be OK, if you're a coder but.... most of us aren't...
Posted 17 October 2013 - 21:11
With linux projects if you know how to compile not much else for you to know. For practice the minor things are also solved by reading
or following someone tut. It is an interesting journey. Coding is not something you are born with, it needs practice and all things come together.
Edited by pop_eye, 17 October 2013 - 21:11.
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