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Re: What's a relationship between CrossEPG and OpenPLi EPG? #21 gorski

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 11:43

You welcome, Colin! And thanx to those responding, indeed!

 

I talked to some well clued-up guys and I kept getting very different answers, so this is indeed confusing and needs clarification...

 

We have various types of EPG downloaded from a satellite (included in OpenPLi, in EPG sub-system menu). One needs to know which one is used by which provider and then turn it on and kill those one doesn't need... But I see no info in OpenPLi in that regard, sadly...

 

CrossEPG is good in some ways, since one downloads EPG from the net when one sleeps, so there is no waiting, like with OTA EPG. Also, one can choose individual providers, rather than types of EPG (and all the providers using it).

 

But it seems that some co-operation is needed between CrossEPG writer(s) and OpenPLi, so there are no double-entries, at least... Maybe also re. priorities?

 

Many parts of EU (and wider) depend on CrossEPG, you see. So, if the coders are not using it - we're stuck in some ways..

 

Similar with DDsubtitle Player, for many parts of the world where there is no dubbing or direct subtitling included.

 

Those 2 important plugins create many problems, when many possible kind of changes occur...

 

And we really do need them, for many a reason...


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Re: What's a relationship between CrossEPG and OpenPLi EPG? #22 Rob van der Does

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 13:10

Actually, there are different epg prio levels. Long term custom data has a low prio, normal eit has a higher prio, now/next eit has the highest prio, because it is supposed to be the most accurate.

But Now/Next is not being stored.


 



Re: What's a relationship between CrossEPG and OpenPLi EPG? #23 pieterg

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 16:05


Actually, there are different epg prio levels. Long term custom data has a low prio, normal eit has a higher prio, now/next eit has the highest prio, because it is supposed to be the most accurate.

But Now/Next is not being stored.


Yes, it is

Re: What's a relationship between CrossEPG and OpenPLi EPG? #24 Rob van der Does

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 16:52

 


Actually, there are different epg prio levels. Long term custom data has a low prio, normal eit has a higher prio, now/next eit has the highest prio, because it is supposed to be the most accurate.

But Now/Next is not being stored.
 

Yes, it is

As far as I can see it isn't. When you tune to a service the EPG will be changed to what Now/Next is transmitting, but the same happens when you re-tune to that service.



Re: What's a relationship between CrossEPG and OpenPLi EPG? #25 pieterg

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 17:54

The now/next reader runs at some interval, at least some minutes apart.
That might be the reason you don't immediately find now/next info in your epg.

Re: What's a relationship between CrossEPG and OpenPLi EPG? #26 Rob van der Does

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 18:44

The now/next reader runs at some interval, at least some minutes apart.
That might be the reason you don't immediately find now/next info in your epg.

What I mean is: tune to a station, see that the EPG is being overwritten by Now/Next, tune to another station, re-tune to the previous station and the same happens again. That can only be the case if the Now/Next info has not been stored.

The same applies to the channellist: you only see stored EPG-data there, not Now/Next, not even after having tuned to several services.



Re: What's a relationship between CrossEPG and OpenPLi EPG? #27 pieterg

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 18:47

What you see in the infobar, is read by a different now/next section reader. The epgcache eit reader runs independently.

Re: What's a relationship between CrossEPG and OpenPLi EPG? #28 Rob van der Does

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 19:03

What you see in the infobar, is read by a different now/next section reader. The epgcache eit reader runs independently.

Oh. And why is that?



Re: What's a relationship between CrossEPG and OpenPLi EPG? #29 pieterg

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 19:36

for starters, the epgcache eit reader needs 'actual' as well as 'other' tables, whereas the now/next reader which is used to fill the infobar only filters data for the current service.
And, you don't want to fill the epgcache from the userinterface context, nor do you want to trigger a new read cycle on all epgcache readers just to get the now/next events to fill the infobar (both would be bad for gui response).

So there are seperate section readers, configured specific to their tasks.

Re: What's a relationship between CrossEPG and OpenPLi EPG? #30 gorski

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 22:59

Thank you kindly for this exchange!

 

So, in lay person's terms: what would be the principle/advice given in such a case, please?


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Re: What's a relationship between CrossEPG and OpenPLi EPG? #31 hemispherical1

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 18:50

My "homebrewed" xmltv file works for me in both crossepg & xmltvimport so I would guess that... You could use either xmltvimport's source file in crossepg, or crossepg's file in xmltvimport, allowing you to just use one or the other to import all the data, rather than having to run both importers...

 

xmltvimport's source info is located in /etc/epgimport & crossepg's in /usr/crossepg/providers. I would think they can be combined, although I've never tried as neither supports my sats...  ;)

 

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Re: What's a relationship between CrossEPG and OpenPLi EPG? #32 gorski

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Posted 5 May 2013 - 19:55

Today I noticed the EPG for HRT from the net (Slovenian language, that is from the XMLTV file) before I tuned into the channel and as soon as I actually chose the channel the EPG from the satellite took over (Croat language)... Thanx to this debate it is starting to make more sense... Priorities and all...

 

It would help if we were to have a good HELP file, to know which provider uses which type of EPG, being sent from a satellite. Partially, this can be seen - but I can't remember if it is in CrossEPG, when one is configuring it or in OpenPLi EPG options menu...

 

Either way, it could be improved, so anyone could use it better/more easily... If it were easier to get the info, both from the OpenPLi image and/or from CrossEPG plugin...


<span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'>"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-incurred immaturity. Immaturity is the inability to use one's own understanding without the guidance of another. This immaturity is self-incurred if its cause is not lack of understanding, but lack of resolution and courage to use it without the guidance of another. The motto of enlightenment is therefore: Sapere aude! Have courage to use your own understanding!</span><br /> <br /><span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'>Laziness and cowardice are the reasons why such a large proportion of men, even when nature has long emancipated them from alien guidance..." I. Kant, "Political writings" (1784)</span><br /> <br /><span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'><a class='bbc_url' href='<a class='bbc_url' href='http://eserver.org/p...lightenment.txt'>http://eserver.org/p...ent.txt</a>'><a class='bbc_url' href='http://www.english.upenn.edu/~mgamer/Etexts/kant.html</a>'>http://www.english.upenn.edu/~mgamer/Etexts/kant.html</a></a> - the jolly text on Enlightenment, at the basis of Modernity...</span>

Re: What's a relationship between CrossEPG and OpenPLi EPG? #33 gorski

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Posted 6 August 2013 - 08:39

Not to open a new thread: anyone knows why a (Python version 2.6) CrossEPG doesn't work in F500HD and in XP1000 (P. 2.7) it does?

 

The same settings, the same home network, the same channels but...

 

DigiTV, for instance, gets EPG in XP1000 but not in F500HD.

 

Weird or what?


<span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'>"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-incurred immaturity. Immaturity is the inability to use one's own understanding without the guidance of another. This immaturity is self-incurred if its cause is not lack of understanding, but lack of resolution and courage to use it without the guidance of another. The motto of enlightenment is therefore: Sapere aude! Have courage to use your own understanding!</span><br /> <br /><span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'>Laziness and cowardice are the reasons why such a large proportion of men, even when nature has long emancipated them from alien guidance..." I. Kant, "Political writings" (1784)</span><br /> <br /><span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'><a class='bbc_url' href='<a class='bbc_url' href='http://eserver.org/p...lightenment.txt'>http://eserver.org/p...ent.txt</a>'><a class='bbc_url' href='http://www.english.upenn.edu/~mgamer/Etexts/kant.html</a>'>http://www.english.upenn.edu/~mgamer/Etexts/kant.html</a></a> - the jolly text on Enlightenment, at the basis of Modernity...</span>





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