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[Pr2]

Hi,

 

1°/ Up or down arrow:

 

i read with some interest the following thread about PiP exit key behavior.

It seems that finally a new option has been added to let people choose the Exit key behavior while PiP is active.

 

http://sourceforge.n...f53511892f4e51/

 

I have a similar problem:  when watching TV pressing the UP arrow (or down arrow) pop-up the channel list selection, but instead of staying on the current channel it always change to the upper channel (or lower channel with down arrow).

I know that this behavior is historical within E2 but it is really boring, especially when you manage to add a channel to a bouquet for exemple.

 

Would it be possible that pressing the up or down arrow pop up the channel list on the current TV channel? Can you foreseen an option to control this behavior.

 

Remark: pressing the P+ key open up the bouquet list on the current channel, that's the behavior I would like to have on up/down arrow (see below).

 

2°/ P+ , P-

 

On a RCU P+, P- stand for program/channel+ or program/channel-  except on E2!

Pressing those key on the RCU result in just switching the bouquets list.

 

Would it be possible to select the P+/P- behavior, either channel switch or bouquet switch? 

 

This behavior was already corrected in the past P+/P- were acting like they namely should means channel up or channel down, but since a few month they are back to bouquet switching mode. So probably that there was conflicting request on those keys behavior.

 

I am using the official Openpli-HD skin.

 

Regards,

 

Pr2

 

[littlesat]

On a RCU P+, P- stand for program/channel+ or program/channel-  except on E2!

That is printed on a lot of remotes... but E2 uses this to as bouquet selector...

[Pr2]

Hi,

 

Yes because most RCU now are universal remote so they have P+ / P-  anyway would be nice if we could select the behavior in E2.

 

But the most annoying behavior for me is the up and down arrow. Especially with french TV channel that are sometimes broadcast 2 or 3 times on the same TP with different SIDs when you create bouquet/favorite with the RCU we must be very careful to be sure to select the right one.

 

Regards,

 

Pr2

[Robinson]

This has probably been already talked about and OpenPLi developers seem to prefer to use UP and DOWN in the way it is now, so channel list pops up and not the current channel is highlighted.

Personally, I would prefer it the way Pr2 would like that so either the currently watched channel is highlighted or it is configurable in the menu.

I know various other images (such as VIX) do it Pr2's way.

[Rob van der Does]

It is very easy to change both the way you want using MultiQuickButton.

[Pr2]

I was already told in the past that it was the historical way of working of E2 so changing this can confuse "former" users of E2.

 

But I still think that this behavior is then a "very old" bug never solved.  I really don't understand why it changes the channel location in the list. I also have complaints from my wife about this (so changing this will increase the WAF of OpenPli).

Moreover without changing it, we don't know if former E2 users will complaint or not.

 

Pressing the P+ show me the favorite like I want so why not the up arrow?

 

I am not asking to change the default behavior but just having a way, even with an hidden parameter that I have to set manually in the /etc/enigma2/settings file to change it.

 

About MQB I know this plugin but when I test it, it also changes some other keys in a way that I didn't like, then it become difficult to explain other how to access some feature if you are not stick with the "official" way of working of an image.

Moreover I'd like Openpli because there is not a lot of plugin preinstalled so I try to keep my image as clean as possible.

 

Pr2

[jakey]

I guess trying to please everyone is a nightmare, I think it reasonable to do a certain amount of customising yourself so things function the way you want them to.

 

Why not just edit your keymap.xml to do what you want it to do, just change the KEY_UP AND KEY_DOWN function.

 

from this

 

 <map context="InfobarChannelSelection">
  <key id="KEY_LEFT" mapto="zapUp" flags="mr" />
  <key id="KEY_RIGHT" mapto="zapDown" flags="mr" />
  <key id="KEY_UP" mapto="switchChannelUp" flags="mr" />
  <key id="KEY_DOWN" mapto="switchChannelDown" flags="mr" />
  <key id="KEY_PREVIOUS" mapto="historyBack" flags="mr" />
  <key id="KEY_NEXT" mapto="historyNext" flags="mr" />
  <key id="KEY_BACK" mapto="historyBack" flags="mr" />
  <key id="KEY_FORWARD" mapto="historyNext" flags="mr" />
  <key id="KEY_CHANNELUP" mapto="openServiceList" flags="m" />
  <key id="KEY_CHANNELDOWN" mapto="openServiceList" flags="m" />
  <key id="BTN_0" mapto="zapUp" flags="mr" />
  <key id="BTN_1" mapto="zapDown" flags="mr" />
 </map>

 

To this

 

 <map context="InfobarChannelSelection">
  <key id="KEY_LEFT" mapto="zapUp" flags="mr" />
  <key id="KEY_RIGHT" mapto="zapDown" flags="mr" />
  <key id="KEY_UP" mapto="openServiceList" flags="mr" />
  <key id="KEY_DOWN" mapto="openServiceList flags="mr" />
  <key id="KEY_PREVIOUS" mapto="historyBack" flags="mr" />
  <key id="KEY_NEXT" mapto="historyNext" flags="mr" />
  <key id="KEY_BACK" mapto="historyBack" flags="mr" />
  <key id="KEY_FORWARD" mapto="historyNext" flags="mr" />
  <key id="KEY_CHANNELUP" mapto="openServiceList" flags="m" />
  <key id="KEY_CHANNELDOWN" mapto="openServiceList" flags="m" />
  <key id="BTN_0" mapto="zapUp" flags="mr" />
  <key id="BTN_1" mapto="zapDown" flags="mr" />
 </map>

 

You can save the file to your PC in case it gets overwritten by an update.

 

I used to do it this way myself now I use the VU+ version of MQB on my 8k which is so useful for customising and creating macros, wouldn't be without it myself.

Edited by jakey, 8 October 2013 - 01:01.

[Rob van der Does]

Indeed: no idea why one wouldn't want to use MQB for easy changing default behaviour and adding functions to unused buttons.
Default behaviour is bound not to please everyone; hence the plugin is available.

[Trial]

Hi,

About MQB I know this plugin but when I test it, it also changes some other keys in a way that I didn't like, then it become difficult to explain other how to access some feature if you are not stick with the "official" way of working of an image.

You are free to change every key in MQB. If there is a function you do not like then change it.

 

ciao

[Pr2]

Thanks to all,

 

I will give a try both to the manual method and I will give another chance to MQB, to see which solution fits me best.

 

Pr2

[littlesat]

MQB is in fact a "dragon" of a plugin...

But what and why do you need to change this behaviour...?

Channel up/down zapping is done with left/right... so why assinging it double?

Channel up/down with service list is done with up/down at the cursor.... so also why do we need to assinging it twice?

 

As far I understood in fact the printing on some of the remotes is incorrect which results in a differnet reaction as the print button itself does suggest... So in fact the issue should be solved by the manufacturer of the box/remote by changing the printing on the remotes.

A correct printing was I suggest B+ and B-

Edited by littlesat, 8 October 2013 - 10:28.

[Robinson]

As regards UP and DOWN, maybe you do not quite understand what we are asking for.

Both these keys simply open a channel list and it is very good. We do not want these keys to change channels because LEFT and RIGHT buttons do it satisfactorily.

We would just like to see the currently watched channel being highlighted when opening channel list with UP or DOWN.

Now the channel list opens but not the currently watched channel is highligthed. That's it.

[littlesat]

This is behavior for years now in enigma 2... with up you get indeed the channel list and then one channel up. Why do you want to change this behavior as the user goes a channel up which you directly can confirm with OK?

I suggest you request somehow an additional feature.... just show the channel list.... Then I would prefer to reserve another (free) button on your remote to this functionality - e.g. green button (in case there are no subservices then you get the subservices for that german provider).

Edited by littlesat, 8 October 2013 - 11:11.

[WanWizard]

I would be dead against such a change.

 

The only reason for popping the service selector up is to be able to zap based on the channels current program info (which you have next to the channel name). I can see in the infobar what I'm currently watching, I don't need the service selector for that. This request would mean an additional keypress every time I want to zap...

 

Until now I haven't seen the functional requirement for this change, only one reply saying "the wife would like it" (which isn't exactly functional ).

[Erik Slagter]

I can understand what the TS means though. Indeed, every time you want to add a channel (from another bouquet or from a satellites channels list), you need to press up or down first, which also moves the highlighted/selected entry, which is not what you want in this case! And exactly, if multiple channels share the same name, it's very difficult to pick the right one.

[Robinson]

This is behavior for years now in enigma 2... with up you get indeed the channel list and then one channel up. Why do you want to change this behavior as the user goes a channel up which you directly can confirm with OK?

I suggest you request somehow an additional feature.... just show the channel list....

 

Yes, I think some of us treat UP and DOWN keys as "show channel list". Then, based on what events we see and read next to the channel list, we decide whether to go, let's say, 5 channels up or 2 channels down. But all this time when I am reading various event titles in the channel list, a channel is highlighted which is not currently being watched. And this, I believe, is what bothers some of us.
 

 

The only reason for popping the service selector up is to be able to zap based on the channels current program info (which you have next to the channel name). I can see in the infobar what I'm currently watching, I don't need the service selector for that. This request would mean an additional keypress every time I want to zap...

 

I don't quite understand. What you are talking about now, I think, is zapping channels using LEFT / RIGHT keys, and not UP and DOWN. We are not proposing any change to LEFT / RIGHT keys. We are only trying to show arguments that it is better to have "show channel list with a highlighted channel currently being watched" rather than "show channel list with a confusingly different channel highlighted than currently being watched".

Edited by Robinson, 8 October 2013 - 17:47.

[Erik Slagter]

I think WanWizard means he uses up/down to get a quick glance at the EPG  for all neighbouring channels. If you intend to zap one channel further and want to have a glance at the EPG, that would indeed be useful.

 

But indeed like Robinson says, most of the time when actual zapping, you use left/right not up/down.

[Pr2]

Hi,

 

OK forget about the P+ / P- I don't want to disturb too much the E2 users.

 

But the up / down arrow behavior is no logical, you press it up the first for what:  just to pop-up the channel list (not to zap or change anything). So I would like that the cursor stay on the current I am currently watching.

 

 

Robinson summarize it very well:  channel is highlighted which is not currently being watched (for me this non-sense).

 

If WanWizard is using it for the EPG then he will probably watch at EPG summary on severals channels and not only the channel just before the one he is currently watching, so he will have to press the up arrow several times anyway. But then we can also say that the EPG key is there to watch the EPG.

I don't see which extra key he will need to press because to change channel +1 / -1 you have the left and right arrow

 

So according to me the normal behavior is 1 press on up will just open the channel list on the current channel.

When you saw the number of possible option that you have pressing menu in channel list, I think better to stay on the current channel since I pop up the channel list I want to be able to use the Menu key directly on the channel I am currently watching.

 

Moreover have you ever try to create a bouquet list from scratch yourself with the RCU?  This is total mess press up then down then menu to add it to favorites. When the channel name is specific no problem you cannot make mistake but if for example you want to add channels like Eurosport / Disney etc... you have up to 10 times in your all channel list! So if you forgot the up/down trick you insert the wrong channel in your favorite.

 

Pr2

[littlesat]

It is logic as it is now as it is more user frendly when it selects one channel up and down... That other user interfaces behave differently and someone is pr was used to that is a different discussion. To simply view the channel selections is a new feature. That is something that should not be rerouted to keys which already have a different function.

Edited by littlesat, 8 October 2013 - 19:31.

[Robinson]

Maybe it seems logic in a way but it is not very useful. Because what else would I use UP or DOWN key than opening a channel list? I see absolutely no advantage of opening channel list on a different channel than the one being watched. If I want to zap channels on OpenPLi, I use LEFT/RIGHT. I use UP/DOWN to read what is on on various other channels at the same time.

I know you don't like too many configuration options in the menu but a lot of users would appreciate this one:

UP/DOWN keys:

- Open Channel list and go UP/DOWN

- Open Channel list and stay on the current channel.

 

A different key assigned just for opening channel list is not a user-friendly solution because it is the keys around "OK" button that are most convenient to use for the most often used functions. And opening channel list is one of the most often used functions so it should be possible with one of the buttons around "OK" or, possibly, "OK" itself.