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[dhwz]

@littlesat

I think here are still some people who just don't understand how it works. 

 

@SatKiekerd

Just accept it that it is not working for all services. It's only working for services which have properly set the encryption flag in the SI-Data.

 

And remember dreamboxEDIT supports the encryption flag sice 3 years!!!, thats when DMM added it on my own request on their images.

I will not change anything on the behaviour of dreamboxEDIT as its working as intended. There is no need to edit the encryption flag manually! There isn't even a encryption flag in the lamedb it's just a fake caid C:0000 which is written on service scan. You can edit it manually in the extra parameters, but as said that makes no sense at all.

[Rob van der Does]

1- Does this mean that a FTA-scan will find many encrypted services?

2- I do not accept this behaviour; as it is now I will use the 'auto-zap' plugin for better results. And as tuning does get the correct settings, I'm still convinced that there may be a decent way to scan.

3- I don't understand why DBE doesn't allow for manually changing the flag. After all, DBE allows to change all parameters if you have better ones then the box (or settings file) has. So why not for this parameter?

Of course I realize that we're a big step closer to a perfect box now. But still some work to do (hopefully ).

Edited by SatKiekerd, 8 May 2014 - 17:33.

[littlesat]

1. Yes... I mentioned before...

2. Complaint at all those providers who transmits incorrect "meta" data - Indeed zapping to all channels makes it better... but is also slow... But what about channels that are not always encrypted. It is still an indicator this way,

3. I far I understood you could add/remove CAIDs in DBE

[Rob van der Does]

....But what about channels that are not always encrypted. It is still an indicator this way,

Absolutely, but that's a limitation I can live with. You can't catch 'Dynamic' parameters.

Also strange: BBC 3/4 (SD & HD) show the encrypted flag on a daytime scan; will see if the flag will be reset when the service is active tonight.

[Huevos]

As the person who posted the original feature request I'd like to say thank you to everyone who has been involved in bring it to the stage it is at so far. Well done.

[Dimitrij]

As the person who posted the original feature request I'd like to say thank you to everyone who has been involved in bring it to the stage it is at so far. Well done.

+1

[Huevos]

....But what about channels that are not always encrypted. It is still an indicator this way,

Absolutely, but that's a limitation I can live with. You can't catch 'Dynamic' parameters.

Also strange: BBC 3/4 (SD & HD) show the encrypted flag on a daytime scan; will see if the flag will be reset when the service is active tonight.

No, they don't disappear on tune even though the channels are FTA.

[Rob van der Does]

Hmmm, the flag once set remains in place; and even DBE can't change it.
Now I'm not sure anymore if this feature is useful; at first I was very happy it to be implemented, but the limitations appear to be endless.

I remember my good old Inverto 7000 always showing the correct flag.

[littlesat]

Even that invento is not capable at this moment to show it correctly... As the providers made a mess out of it...
Possibly something needs to be added that if a channel is fta the m_ca cache will be cleared....
Does some of our openpli based image also have that in between?
From the beginning I told this is difficult to get right.

Edited by littlesat, 9 May 2014 - 06:46.

[Rob van der Does]

Even that invento is not capable at this moment to show it correctly... As the providers made a mess out of it...

OK, that's very well possible indeed; years ago since I last used the Inverto.

 

Possibly something needs to be added that if a channel is fta the m_ca cache will be cleared....

Yes please.

 

Does some of our openpli based image also have that in between?

As far as I know all but Open-SPA followed your changes.
So I'll flash Open-SPA to see how it works there.

 

From the beginning I told this is difficult to get right.

Yep, and a challenge keeps the little grey cells alive and active!

[Rob van der Does]

Hmmm, the flag once set remains in place; and even DBE can't change it.
Now I'm not sure anymore if this feature is useful; at first I was very happy it to be implemented, but the limitations appear to be endless.

I remember my good old Inverto 7000 always showing the correct flag.

Not sure why this warrants a negative reputation????

[Huevos]

strange: BBC 3/4 (SD & HD) show the encrypted flag on a daytime scan; will see if the flag will be reset when the service is active tonight.

Only way to get rid of that for me was manually edit lamedb and then send it back to the receiver (init 4... init 3).

[littlesat]

Or from today zap to it...

Edited by littlesat, 10 May 2014 - 06:26.

[Huevos]

Or from today zap to it...

Good. I look forward to testing that.

 

It's a shame there is no way to override this flag  in DBEdit.

Edited by Huevos, 10 May 2014 - 11:54.

[Huevos]

BTW, what do the changes in scan.cpp do?

[dhwz]

It's a shame there is no way to override this flag  in DBEdit.

 

What are you talking about???

Again there is no such flag in the lamedb just caids which are cached.

[Huevos]

What are you talking about???

Ok, scan 28E. 'Clear before scan' = yes.

 

Now the encryption flag shows on BBC3, BBC4, etc.in the channel list but these are FTA channels. Now if I import the channel list into DBEdit I can't see a way to correct those incorrect locked icons.

[dhwz]

Maybe you should read what I written before? The lock is coming from the cached caids, if you remove the caids the lock is also gone. 

 

But somehow some people here just dont' read or still don't understand how the encryption "flag" is working... 

Edited by dhwz, 10 May 2014 - 19:39.

[Huevos]

Maybe you should read what I written before? The lock is coming from the cached caids, if you remove the caids the lock is also gone. 

 

But somehow some people here just dont' read or still don't understand how the encryption "flag" is working... 

Yes we are all aware how it works. So how do you remove the caids in DBEdit?

[dhwz]

No comment...

Did you read #121? No you did not...