Have you guys thought about other HW you might support, please?
For instance: http://amiko-a3.com/?lang=sr#Splash
Things are a-changin' and fast, hence the Q...
Thanx and keep up the good work! 
OpenPLi strategy: BRDCM or die... or...?
Started by gorski, 21 May 2014 23:10
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Posted 21 May 2014 - 23:10
<span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'>"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-incurred immaturity. Immaturity is the inability to use one's own understanding without the guidance of another. This immaturity is self-incurred if its cause is not lack of understanding, but lack of resolution and courage to use it without the guidance of another. The motto of enlightenment is therefore: Sapere aude! Have courage to use your own understanding!</span><br /> <br /><span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'>Laziness and cowardice are the reasons why such a large proportion of men, even when nature has long emancipated them from alien guidance..." I. Kant, "Political writings" (1784)</span><br /> <br /><span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'><a class='bbc_url' href='<a class='bbc_url' href='http://eserver.org/p...lightenment.txt'>http://eserver.org/p...ent.txt</a>'><a class='bbc_url' href='http://www.english.upenn.edu/~mgamer/Etexts/kant.html</a>'>http://www.english.upenn.edu/~mgamer/Etexts/kant.html</a></a> - the jolly text on Enlightenment, at the basis of Modernity...</span>
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Posted 22 May 2014 - 13:47
All the "Dev's" in the community here work with/on OpenPli as a hobby and not as a profession.
Besides that the origin of the whole supported Linux-based STB's here lies with the: "MIPS-Broadcaom Architecture" and that's what these people specialize in and know very well. Learning the ins an outs of a new hardware architecture is usually very time consuming and probably is not going to change very soon.
A.f.a.i.k. there are specialized communities for ARM-based (Cortex A9 as in Amiko A3) STB's, also there is OpenRSi for ie. AZBox & GigaBlue (which are MIPS-based but not Broadcom hardware) and others...
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Posted 22 May 2014 - 14:03
Euuhhh?
GB has BCM's:
GB Quad/Quad-Plus BCM7356 @1300KHz
GB HD800SE BCM9732 @333MHz
GB 800Solo BCM7325 @333MHz
GB has BCM's:
GB Quad/Quad-Plus BCM7356 @1300KHz
GB HD800SE BCM9732 @333MHz
GB 800Solo BCM7325 @333MHz
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Posted 22 May 2014 - 14:42
Yeah, just that the mipsel is passing away. I thought OpenPli is more then just a hobby group.
Publicly supporting stb manufacturers and having close relationship is not what I call a hobby group - I could be wrong.
So I believe it is a legitimate question, unless the ARM is not on their todo list.
We should all be appreciative about their support. Thank you and keep up
Edited by pop_eye, 22 May 2014 - 14:47.
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Posted 22 May 2014 - 15:07
Indeed! And we are, for sure! We may not agree on everything but this is beyond anything like that, not to miss the wood for the trees!
On the other hand, new stuff is coming out and it's getting more and more "convincing", so to speak
Hence the question, of course... Maybe next will be Intel's "Atom" or whatever else but...
I mean, things change, new developers may join the Team, bring in new expertise...
May they be strategising behind closed doors first, before they tell us...?? 
Best regards...
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Posted 22 May 2014 - 16:26
Publicly supporting stb manufacturers and having close relationship is not what I call a hobby group - I could be wrong.
Huh?
So if I like to make chrome tailpipes for an Opel in my workshop, because I happen to own an Opel and happen to like it, then in your opinion I am not busy with a hobby? Then I'm very curious to hear what you think it is what I am doing. And wht you think that. So I'd say "Yes, you are wrong".
To make it very clear:
ANY manufacturer can come to our door and ask for an OpenPLi on their product. We have a standard procedure in place which we go through with this manufacturer, and if we get to the end of it, that manufacturers box will have official OpenPLi support. And nowhere in those procedures is stated the product must be MIPSEL or Broadcom based...
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Posted 22 May 2014 - 19:08
Cool, thanx! Good to know!
<span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'>"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-incurred immaturity. Immaturity is the inability to use one's own understanding without the guidance of another. This immaturity is self-incurred if its cause is not lack of understanding, but lack of resolution and courage to use it without the guidance of another. The motto of enlightenment is therefore: Sapere aude! Have courage to use your own understanding!</span><br /> <br /><span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'>Laziness and cowardice are the reasons why such a large proportion of men, even when nature has long emancipated them from alien guidance..." I. Kant, "Political writings" (1784)</span><br /> <br /><span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'><a class='bbc_url' href='<a class='bbc_url' href='http://eserver.org/p...lightenment.txt'>http://eserver.org/p...ent.txt</a>'><a class='bbc_url' href='http://www.english.upenn.edu/~mgamer/Etexts/kant.html</a>'>http://www.english.upenn.edu/~mgamer/Etexts/kant.html</a></a> - the jolly text on Enlightenment, at the basis of Modernity...</span>
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Posted 22 May 2014 - 20:14
Publicly supporting stb manufacturers and having close relationship is not what I call a hobby group - I could be wrong.
Huh?
So if I like to make chrome tailpipes for an Opel in my workshop, because I happen to own an Opel and happen to like it, then in your opinion I am not busy with a hobby? Then I'm very curious to hear what you think it is what I am doing. And wht you think that. So I'd say "Yes, you are wrong".
Just to answer your question - it could also mean that you are servicing more then one Opel with the same tools you are servicing your own.
I do not call that a hobby by any means , especially when the servicing is intended for mass production. So the workshop becomes a place where you are servicing possible customers...
I could be wrong, but I know I am not
Good, so will see Openpli reborn as Pheonix did and supporting for years to come.
Edited by pop_eye, 22 May 2014 - 20:18.
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Posted 23 May 2014 - 00:12
We call this "jabbing out of your neck" here...
Since you have a bit of a problem understanding the word "Hobby", so do yourself a favour and check a dictionary. You'll see:
A hobby is a regular activity done for pleasure - typically during leisure. Continual participation in a hobby can provide substantial skill and knowledge about it.
Anyone who does an activity solely for fun is called a 'hobbyist'; whereas anyone who does an activity for a reward is a 'professional'.
Since we do this in our spare time, because we enjoy it, since nobody pays us, and there is no money involved, I'd say that we qualify as "hobbyists".
And the next time, if you like to spread accusations, better have proof and be prepared to back your statements up. Because I'm getting sick and tired of your presence here.
If you don't have anything to add, make everyone happy here and get lost.
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Posted 23 May 2014 - 06:55
I had some contact with a distrubitor from GB from the Netherlands... But it is still preferable that the manufacturer contact us in this case. And it would be nice to get a bps layer, which is somehow more concrete how this should look like since a few weeks. With a bps layer from the manufacturer we can support other hardware platforms.
Edited by littlesat, 23 May 2014 - 07:02.
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If you don't have anything to add, make everyone happy here and get lost.
Don`t need to get pissy. You asked me a question - so I answered it. We are all grown ups.
And the hobby bull keep it for others.
Edited by pop_eye, 23 May 2014 - 13:37.
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No need to get everyone pissy, I would say, which you do consistently and not exactly from the best grounds...
In this case: either you have proof, in which case you back up your claims - or you don't, in which case you keep schtum!!!
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Posted 23 May 2014 - 17:34
My sentiments exactly.
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I had some contact with a distrubitor from GB from the Netherlands... But it is still preferable that the manufacturer contact us in this case. And it would be nice to get a bps layer, which is somehow more concrete how this should look like since a few weeks. With a bps layer from the manufacturer we can support other hardware platforms.
Sorry i dont understand GB?
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Posted 23 May 2014 - 23:09
GigaBlue or Great Britain (and Northern Ireland 
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<span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'>"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-incurred immaturity. Immaturity is the inability to use one's own understanding without the guidance of another. This immaturity is self-incurred if its cause is not lack of understanding, but lack of resolution and courage to use it without the guidance of another. The motto of enlightenment is therefore: Sapere aude! Have courage to use your own understanding!</span><br /> <br /><span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'>Laziness and cowardice are the reasons why such a large proportion of men, even when nature has long emancipated them from alien guidance..." I. Kant, "Political writings" (1784)</span><br /> <br /><span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'><a class='bbc_url' href='<a class='bbc_url' href='http://eserver.org/p...lightenment.txt'>http://eserver.org/p...ent.txt</a>'><a class='bbc_url' href='http://www.english.upenn.edu/~mgamer/Etexts/kant.html</a>'>http://www.english.upenn.edu/~mgamer/Etexts/kant.html</a></a> - the jolly text on Enlightenment, at the basis of Modernity...</span>
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GigaBlue or Great Britain (and Northern Ireland
Pli support gigablue boxes??? Normally doesn' t support but anything change in this subject.
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Littlesat said he "had some contact with...", not that OpenPLi Team are supporting GB "fully and unconditionally"... 
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I understand, thank you gorski 
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Posted 25 May 2014 - 12:46
SH4 resellers won't spend money on devs and they don't care about enigma2 so do yourself a favor and ask the big companies like fortis
i'm not a PLi fan but don't you ever forget who made what now we call "open source enigma2"
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Posted 25 May 2014 - 18:40
Not all developers ask for money...
And not all who write here from "on high" really are "developers" it seems to me...
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