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Re: Windows the best OS? #21 dAF2000

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Posted 4 November 2014 - 21:02

I use Linux (Ubuntu and Xubuntu) for over 10 years now on my pc/laptop and before that I used Windows (several editions). I won't give you any arguments because many of them are just a matter of taste and Linux cannot be compared to Windows in many aspects. My reason to switch to Linux was:

 

In Windows I was doing almost more antivirus, firewall and registry clean stuff instead of really using it. I don't need that any more using Linux (okay, this may be just there are none/less viruses for Linux but I don't mind ;)). A lot of software I needed to search on the internet with the potential risk of getting viruses or bloat-ware. In Linux I just use the package manager and I know the software is from a trusted source. And another important issue for me: when writing software I want access to my computer and do things the way I want to. I need a powerful shell like bash etc.


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Re: Windows the best OS? #22 gorski

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Posted 4 November 2014 - 21:26

Linux doesn't need newbies? FFS! It's gonna die out, clever dick! :rolleyes:

 

Honestly, some people... :rolleyes:


<span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'>"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-incurred immaturity. Immaturity is the inability to use one's own understanding without the guidance of another. This immaturity is self-incurred if its cause is not lack of understanding, but lack of resolution and courage to use it without the guidance of another. The motto of enlightenment is therefore: Sapere aude! Have courage to use your own understanding!</span><br /> <br /><span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'>Laziness and cowardice are the reasons why such a large proportion of men, even when nature has long emancipated them from alien guidance..." I. Kant, "Political writings" (1784)</span><br /> <br /><span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'><a class='bbc_url' href='<a class='bbc_url' href='http://eserver.org/p...lightenment.txt'>http://eserver.org/p...ent.txt</a>'><a class='bbc_url' href='http://www.english.upenn.edu/~mgamer/Etexts/kant.html</a>'>http://www.english.upenn.edu/~mgamer/Etexts/kant.html</a></a> - the jolly text on Enlightenment, at the basis of Modernity...</span>

Re: Windows the best OS? #23 pop_eye

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Posted 4 November 2014 - 22:24

Linux doesn't need newbies? FFS! It's gonna die out, clever dick! :rolleyes:

 

Honestly, some people... :rolleyes:

 

Hello - was only referring to Linux vs. Android.

 

Don`t you think android is linux with a candy bar ?

 

Please ask a newbie how much experience he gets from android . But everyone know how to flip the touchscreen...so not really in linux advantage.

 

You wont see many finding about linux after they discovered iOs or android. I bet you feel the same ... :rolleyes:



Re: Windows the best OS? #24 gorski

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Posted 6 November 2014 - 01:04

Perhaps you are just too clever for all of us... :rolleyes:


<span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'>"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-incurred immaturity. Immaturity is the inability to use one's own understanding without the guidance of another. This immaturity is self-incurred if its cause is not lack of understanding, but lack of resolution and courage to use it without the guidance of another. The motto of enlightenment is therefore: Sapere aude! Have courage to use your own understanding!</span><br /> <br /><span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'>Laziness and cowardice are the reasons why such a large proportion of men, even when nature has long emancipated them from alien guidance..." I. Kant, "Political writings" (1784)</span><br /> <br /><span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'><a class='bbc_url' href='<a class='bbc_url' href='http://eserver.org/p...lightenment.txt'>http://eserver.org/p...ent.txt</a>'><a class='bbc_url' href='http://www.english.upenn.edu/~mgamer/Etexts/kant.html</a>'>http://www.english.upenn.edu/~mgamer/Etexts/kant.html</a></a> - the jolly text on Enlightenment, at the basis of Modernity...</span>

Re: Windows the best OS? #25 pop_eye

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Posted 6 November 2014 - 01:25

Perhaps I am just reading between the lines - and your arguments do not really apply to real practice.

 

You have Linux which as starting point was really a hobby project ( same as enigma )not developed for consumerism purposes

and you have Windows which was. :)



Re: Windows the best OS? #26 gorski

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Posted 6 November 2014 - 01:30

As I said, there is no talking to you, you're just too clever for anyone... :rolleyes:


<span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'>"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-incurred immaturity. Immaturity is the inability to use one's own understanding without the guidance of another. This immaturity is self-incurred if its cause is not lack of understanding, but lack of resolution and courage to use it without the guidance of another. The motto of enlightenment is therefore: Sapere aude! Have courage to use your own understanding!</span><br /> <br /><span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'>Laziness and cowardice are the reasons why such a large proportion of men, even when nature has long emancipated them from alien guidance..." I. Kant, "Political writings" (1784)</span><br /> <br /><span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'><a class='bbc_url' href='<a class='bbc_url' href='http://eserver.org/p...lightenment.txt'>http://eserver.org/p...ent.txt</a>'><a class='bbc_url' href='http://www.english.upenn.edu/~mgamer/Etexts/kant.html</a>'>http://www.english.upenn.edu/~mgamer/Etexts/kant.html</a></a> - the jolly text on Enlightenment, at the basis of Modernity...</span>

Re: Windows the best OS? #27 pop_eye

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Posted 6 November 2014 - 02:45

But you are still talking ... :P

 

I guess getting straight answers and moving to better topics does not suit you.



Re: Windows the best OS? #28 gorski

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Posted 6 November 2014 - 08:15

Hard of "hearing", are we? :rolleyes:  Talking to you is pointless!!! :(


<span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'>"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-incurred immaturity. Immaturity is the inability to use one's own understanding without the guidance of another. This immaturity is self-incurred if its cause is not lack of understanding, but lack of resolution and courage to use it without the guidance of another. The motto of enlightenment is therefore: Sapere aude! Have courage to use your own understanding!</span><br /> <br /><span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'>Laziness and cowardice are the reasons why such a large proportion of men, even when nature has long emancipated them from alien guidance..." I. Kant, "Political writings" (1784)</span><br /> <br /><span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'><a class='bbc_url' href='<a class='bbc_url' href='http://eserver.org/p...lightenment.txt'>http://eserver.org/p...ent.txt</a>'><a class='bbc_url' href='http://www.english.upenn.edu/~mgamer/Etexts/kant.html</a>'>http://www.english.upenn.edu/~mgamer/Etexts/kant.html</a></a> - the jolly text on Enlightenment, at the basis of Modernity...</span>

Re: Windows the best OS? #29 SpaceRat

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Posted 6 November 2014 - 13:55

In Windows I was doing almost more antivirus, firewall and registry clean stuff instead of really using it.

If you really have done that, I don't doubt you did, you never understood Windows (or TCP/IP, or whatever).

For a lean and powerful antivirus & firewall solution just use brain 1.0.
And if you don't install Norton's malware in the first place, there is no need to clean it from the registry afterwards :>

Oh, and btw: There is no real need to clean it from the registry anyways, it's an indexed database, it doesn't really gain speed from using lamer tools like TuneUp Utilities & Co.

But I have to agree in one point:
One of the negative aspects of software everybody can use (to some degree) is also that everybody feels appointed to give advice ... e.g. to suggest installing Norton crapware and/or using TuneUp and shit like that.


I don't need that any more using Linux (okay, this may be just there are none/less viruses for Linux but I don't mind ;)). A lot of software I needed to search on the internet with the potential risk of getting viruses or bloat-ware. In Linux I just use the package manager and I know the software is from a trusted source.

Where from do you know?

A user on the entry level of knowledge like you - else you wouldn't have wasted your time with Norton Insecurity, TuneUp & Co. - would happily also perform
rpm -ivh http://mirror.us.leaseweb.net/epel/6/i386/epel-release-6-8.noarch.rpm
on CentOS if instructed to.

This one doesn't do any harm, it "just" adds a repo. But which repo did it add?

Now what if I take "epel-release-6-8.noarch.rpm", modify it a bit to also add my repo of badware and reupload it somehere else, so that it can be downloaded this way
rpm -ivh http://mirror.us.leaseweb.net.mylinux.cn/epel/6/i386/epel-release-6-8.noarch.rpm
Would you notice?

For Linux absolutely the same applies as for Windows:
Get your software from trusted sources only. But whom can you trust?

I bet average joe is can more easily tell that
https://www.transmissionbt.com/
inside his browser address bar is more trustworthy than
https://www.transmissionbt.co.cn/
than if the epel repo (For wich transmission is an example you need that repo for on CentOS) gets added from a strange source hidden inside one of those endingless command lines.

The difference:

When I download the VLC player from
http://www.videolan.org/
I not also get the legit version but also a decently current version.

When you download the VLC player using
apt-get install vlc
or
yum install vlc
or whatever, it's probably (Unless you added not-so-trustworthy repos) also from a trusted source, but it's most likely also completely outdated.

We had the VLC dilemma inside the transcoding problem thread some months ago:
The repos deliver you whatever version THEY deem fit for you and for vlc this is a version which doesn't even handle streams right.
On Windows I download exactly the version from the vendor - which is as trustworthy, if not more, as the Linux distro repo maintainer - which I deem fit ... and that will be a version which works with streams.

If you aren't happy with transmission 2.13 from epel (current is 2.84 or so) or vlc-outdated you will end up compiling them yourself.

Everyone who has ever compiled something more complex than inadyn-mt himself, knows that this task can easily become weekend-filling.

The theory is
./configure
make
make install
but the practice is
./configure
{Fulfill dependencies}
./configure
{Fulfill more dependencies}
./configure
{Fulfill more dependencies}
make
{Find a way through libhell}
make
{Find a different way through libhell}
make
{Find another different way through libhell}
...
make
...

and MAYBE finally
make install

That is the way it works, when it works out really good.
If it didnt work that well, you end without the program you wanted to compile and a mess of libs incompatible with the rest of the OS.

This hasn't changed trough the last decades to the slightest.

99% of all criticism on Windows by Linux nerds however is still based on Windows 95 knowledge and absolutely outdated.

On of the points for examle was that you can not compile yourself (for free) on Windows.
a.) No plain or average user wants to
b.) Microsoft offers free Visual Studio versions since ages.

You can not judge Windows based on WinDOS 3.95 from 1995.
I don't judge Linux based on SuSE Linux 4.4 either.

The problem is: Linux really has not changed since in any serious point.
One for example still can't really work with the GUI. You still can't simply drag anything onto the GUI and expect it gets executed when you click or double-click it. At least not if you also want to append params to it or invoke it as a different user and thus would need to prepend "su <someone>" to its invokation.

Oh and btw:
Which idiot at Ubuntu came up with the idea of putting two icons "Reboot" and "Shutdown" into their "Unity" menu bar when both effectively call the same dialog in which you have to chose "Reboot, Shutdown or Cancel" again?
If my rabbits could tell it's plain unlogical, why can't Linux devs see that?


And another important issue for me: when writing software I want access to my computer and do things the way I want to.

And that's why I use Windows.
When I want to do something, I just install the program that does it best.

E.g. in order to cut Enigma2 .ts files, I just install TS Doctor and start cutting them 5 minutes later.
What would I need to do on Linux? Should I even dare to ask?
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Re: Windows the best OS? #30 pop_eye

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Posted 6 November 2014 - 18:49

not sure how much linux are you familiar with but the examples provided just showing how limited your mind is.

 

end of the story.

 

you should not antagonize an operating system when you are actually talking about userland experience.

 

"df" as example can also be used for providing the info about the existing(available space) on a partition.

 

having package management functionality is a bonus not a newbie idiotic proof solution ..ok ?

 

Microsoft this and that..well, they got the money to spend..

 

You should also mention other IDE tools existing since ages in linux world.

 

You keep bashing without any value.


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Re: Windows the best OS? #31 dAF2000

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Posted 6 November 2014 - 21:57

I think the question should be: which OS works the best for you?

At my work I use both Windows and Linux and I prefer Linux. If I was a gamer I would probably prefer Windows as there may be more games for that. Some might prefer Apple for completely other reasons. The arguments for using one or the other OS are personal and are not universal.


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Re: Windows the best OS? #32 malakudi

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Posted 7 November 2014 - 12:50

Linux is not Gnome, KDE, Unity or whatever. Linux is also not Ubuntu, Fedora etc. Linux will conquer the desktop eventually or desktop will become irrelevant. Linux has already conquered the server market, the mobile market (Android), the embedded market (STBs, routers etc etc)  and is coming to laptops (ChromeOS). This is why in the end, Microsoft will die.

 

Saying Unix is something from 60s that will never get to desktop is rubbish. MacOSX is Unix, and the GUI is quite intuitive. As soon as M$ dies, Unix will be everywhere.

 

I personally use Windows (7) on my desktop, Debian on my storage/nas server (with Gnome but I rarely use it), Android on my phone, MacOSX on my laptop, android on my tablet. So I am not biased for one or another. I use them all.


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Re: Windows the best OS? #33 Happysat

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Posted 9 November 2014 - 20:12

10 cls

20 print 'basic v2 rulez'

30 goto 20

 

Run.


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Re: Windows the best OS? #34 SpaceRat

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Posted 9 November 2014 - 20:19

Bah, mono sound ...

My Amstrad CPC had stereo and 128k of RAM

Also, Locomotive BASIC 1.1 was far superior :)
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Re: Windows the best OS? #35 theparasol

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Posted 9 November 2014 - 23:14

10 cls

20 print 'basic v2 rulez'

30 goto 20

 

Run.

 

?Syntax  Error in 10

Ready.

 

CLS is gwbasic ;)

 

Even the print 'basic v2 rulez' is wrong... should be print "basic v2 rulez"


Edited by theparasol, 9 November 2014 - 23:18.

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Re: Windows the best OS? #36 SpaceRat

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Posted 9 November 2014 - 23:17

It's also in Locomotive BASIC ...

I think Commodore BASIC is about the only one which doesn't have CLS but needed some weird char sequence ...
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Re: Windows the best OS? #37 theparasol

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Posted 9 November 2014 - 23:27

But they where very popular, at least here in The Netherlands.


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Re: Windows the best OS? #38 Happysat

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Posted 10 November 2014 - 00:18

 

10 cls

20 print 'basic v2 rulez'

30 goto 20

 

Run.

 

?Syntax  Error in 10

Ready.

 

CLS is gwbasic ;)

 

Even the print 'basic v2 rulez' is wrong... should be print "basic v2 rulez"

 

 

 

No Syntax error ;)  on a blue monday i did learn basic on these old Laser 310's http://www.old-compu...puter.asp?c=157

Clear Screen did work on it im pretty sure and it did run on Basic V2.

 

About the " instead of ' you're right  :)

 

That its all crap by know sure, but i did make some pretty kewl Vegas Gambler Games, while the rest only could insert a cartridge on the 2600 Atari and mostly pushed it in on the wrong side  wondering about the black screen and the funny noise  :lol:


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Re: Windows the best OS? #39 theparasol

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Posted 10 November 2014 - 18:54

So you are a gambler... dont bet any money on cls working on c64 rombasic ;)

 

My first homecomputer was a commodore vic20 ( http://en.wikipedia....ommodore_VIC-20 )

In the beginning entered loads of listings from "RAM Magazine".... then we could play a game for the weekend and after that is was gone since no storage unit available.

After a while I programmed mostly databases to print listings for the "wandelvierdaagse" and donators / members of the wader bird association.

All was stored on a homemade tapedrive since the official commodore one was way to expensive for us.

Lots of load errors... and it toke ages to load...


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Re: Windows the best OS? #40 WanWizard

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Posted 10 November 2014 - 19:04

The correct way to clear the screen in C64 Basic:

PRINT CHR$(147)

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