Posted 15 March 2017 - 17:03
Let's be realistic.
This means that there will never be a support CI+ on openPli for all recievers.
Maybe, maybe not. There are also chances that I will get very rich, but maybe not. My point is that the goal does NOT always warrant all the means. If we can add CI+ support to all models and that means we're getting subpoenad, then, no we're not going to do it. Let's have that clear.
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I don't read PM -> if you have something to ask or to report, do it in the forum so others can benefit. I don't take freelance jobs.
Ik lees geen PM -> als je iets te vragen of te melden hebt, doe het op het forum, zodat anderen er ook wat aan hebben.
Posted 15 March 2017 - 18:27
The certificate used is licensed to a specific manufacturer, for a specific device, and issued after succesful certification of the hardware. The license explictly forbids the manufacturer to use the certificate on other devices.
Not only audit of the hardware but there is also audit how its implemented in the software of the hardware.
But there is already a certificate and a ci+ solution available in the public.
Everyone can add it to their image only it cant be offered in the feeds of the images.
But I agree AFAIK its totally legal to offer castrated ci+ support in the feeds to download and the user have to add a valid certificate by themselves to get it to work.
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Posted 16 March 2017 - 00:03
That is the route we're looking at, at the moment.
And that requires someone with the skills and experience to transform the existing CI+ solution (the code available for that solution) to source that can talk to our existing CI+ API, and that can be compiled into a seperate generic cam-like binary, to which the user can add the certs in a seperate file.
Currently in use: VU+ Duo 4K (2xFBC S2), VU+ Solo 4K (1xFBC S2), uClan Usytm 4K Ultimate (S2+T2), Octagon SF8008 (S2+T2), Zgemma H9.2H (S2+T2)
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Posted 16 March 2017 - 19:55
I believe that's not too hard to implement.
Its not a matter of skill: it needs a brave heart too!
If its for sure perfectly legal many people will be willing to do this.
But as long as I'm not 200% sure I'm not gonna be the man in the newspapers who will be hung on the highest tree for implementing it in public 
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Posted 16 March 2017 - 20:21
Lol. If that would be the case, you would have been swinging a long time ago, due to your "other" activities... 
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Posted 16 March 2017 - 21:39
All perfectly legal AFAIK.... I only contributed some minor things to oscam mostly dvbapi related.
Never added any new CAS support or lines of code that implemented some kind of over encryption.
I personally use oscam pure for dvbapi usage to watch my paid channels with the smartcard I bought from my provider.
Its not my problem people misuse oscam for other purposes. For same reasons they could prosecute manufacturers of gas bottle since they can be misused to blow up atm's
People misuse for example OpenPli images too for distributing illegal IPTV streams....
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Posted 16 March 2017 - 22:33
All perfectly legal AFAIK.... I only contributed some minor things to oscam mostly dvbapi related.
Never added any new CAS support or lines of code that implemented some kind of over encryption.
I personally use oscam pure for dvbapi usage to watch my paid channels with the smartcard I bought from my provider.
Its not my problem people misuse oscam for other purposes. For same reasons they could prosecute manufacturers of gas bottle since they can be misused to blow up atm's
People misuse for example OpenPli images too for distributing illegal IPTV streams....
- and this is big problem oscam he tolerate nopublic version oscam who based on oscam and no can add to orginal oscam this whot was added to nopublic versions
- oscam can be more clear from wather in this whot doing but no remember big succes linux boxes was becouse in past was cams like gbox/cccam/newcs who no afraid add something to code
- oscam developers no can fix any problem who is in oscan no related to hack: no good suport statistic info from cachex, no gived user info about any abused his line [ savan pache no was add from long time ] , made nicer view webinterfce, no good line work beter on cccam who have more 7 year but in oscam frezz, oscam is very complicared to setup.
Posted 17 March 2017 - 13:41
Ten years ago oscam didn't work for my personal usage. After raising some tickets no one seems interested in fixing.
So I started changing things myself and contribute them to oscam. Now it works fine for my usage.
So if it doesnt work ok for your usage:improve the code and contribute!
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Posted 17 March 2017 - 13:49
Edited by samsamsam, 17 March 2017 - 13:50.
Posted 17 March 2017 - 13:54
Let's stay on topic people! This discussion is too important to let it slip!
I personally use oscam pure for dvbapi usage to watch my paid channels with the smartcard I bought from my provider.
This is exactly what we want with CI+ support. It can't even be used in any other way than with a provider supplied smartcard and provider supplied CI+ module.
The only thing we don't want is the provider stuffing his crap hardware down our throat...
Currently in use: VU+ Duo 4K (2xFBC S2), VU+ Solo 4K (1xFBC S2), uClan Usytm 4K Ultimate (S2+T2), Octagon SF8008 (S2+T2), Zgemma H9.2H (S2+T2)
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Posted 17 March 2017 - 18:55
@ WanWizard
- im write about oscam becouse this is similar situation with CI+; no suport no posibility run on linux box
Let's stay on topic people! This discussion is too important to let it slip!
- i think now all going crazy way is no real hackers who no afraid any reaction in past no will be any discusion about suport CI+ he will be add, suport card will be add too.
@ theparasol; im realy no undresten why oscam team tolerate all this private version oscams ; why you no decompiled he and you no add code to oscam ? i think made this no will eb spend you long time.
@ samsamsam ; you have right witl all thsi resync people used old very old version oscam becouse he woek best in polsat cards.
You in past help alot normal people with 0b01.
BIG THANKS TO YOU.
Edited by bogdanm, 17 March 2017 - 18:57.
Posted 17 March 2017 - 19:35
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Posted 17 March 2017 - 19:48
CI+ even works nicely with those evil PLi images 
Only their English is poor - their new "not really genuine" bootlogo has some entertainment value too ...
But it is funny that you insist that 'somebody' should create an open source solution for CI+ Messaging interface which needs some effort instead of changing 1 codeline and enjoy ...
Edited by gutemine, 17 March 2017 - 19:53.
Posted 17 March 2017 - 20:20
Only their English is poor - their new "not really genuine" bootlogo has some entertainment value too ...
A good laugh is always appreciated these days 
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Posted 17 March 2017 - 20:33
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Posted 17 March 2017 - 20:37
Indeed, but to come back to topic - as I already mentioned the unknown developers added already support for your client camd socket (which was quite a surprise for me to be honest), recently they added a fifo based emulation of the ci devices, which allows (despite that this helper steals the ci devices from enigma2 and your MMI interface is too old for clean MMI Socket support for multiple modules) to run the normale CI assignment and CI menu totally unchanged.
Hence this offers already more functionality than you strange and not even self invented CI+ messaging interface, because it allows correct handling of 2 Modules and even if both are from same provider, which is something the Open* Images solution never fully mastered until now to my knowledge.
Hence I'm pretty sure that they would NOT have any big interrest to support your CI+ messaging interface, because it is worse than what they have done already.
Technically this means you would implement it probably on your own and not hope for any "brave" person to waste his time on it.
And even when it is 1 line of code - it would probably take a skillfull person <1h to do it, who owns all existing VU+ with CI(+) support (despite that I'm assuming that all of them use the same ioctl, this needs to be verified).
On this I'm pretty confident, because even I think that I could do it and I'm always a good trehshold for a bad programmer.
But you are lucky - it would take me much longer and I don't own any VU+ box - hence you are pretty save to get all the furtune and fame on your own 
Edited by gutemine, 17 March 2017 - 20:42.
Posted 17 March 2017 - 20:44
I'm out too: No VU boxes in my stable too!
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Posted 17 March 2017 - 20:45
Good practice - but as the VU+ owners are currently screaming the loudest, I assume that they would be the most motivated.
But it works also nicely on a dm7020hd with lates OpenPLi as my testers told me.
Edited by gutemine, 17 March 2017 - 20:46.
Posted 17 March 2017 - 20:46
Mind your English... almost looks same like the openpli dreambox joker site!
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Posted 17 March 2017 - 20:51
Well, as I already said ... the jokers have a working solution for their "not so genuine" PLi Dreambox Images ...
But we can do a simple test to verify that I'm not talking compete nonsense;:
If anybody wants to put a recebt VTi image on a VU+ box, then run a full strace of the enigma2 process from beginning of inserting the module until CI+ completion of authorization and first picture shown and posts the strace file and the output of ls -al /proc/xxxx/fd where xxxx is the pid of the enigma2 process during trace so that we are able to identify the device file descriptors ...
- THEN I think I can tell you if my >90% is a 100% hit.
Edited by gutemine, 17 March 2017 - 20:53.
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