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[robertut]

That is going to be the next step, but in the meantime, I still need a new STB, since this one is dying. Given the security board issue, I'm afraid that keeping the box too much time unpowered will trigger battery drain faster.

[robertut]

Is BacupSuite working with Vu+ Zero? Is it possible to make a full flash backup of a running box?

[el bandido]

Yes. The BackUp plugin works fine for me. You still may need to rename one file for the BackUp to work on usb, but this is no big deal at all.

[goldeneye]

Personally I would *never* buy any box/brand where the manufacturer decides when it's time to call it quits. Security against piracy/cloning is fine. But honest buyers of an original should *never* have to suffer from these methods. 2032 batteries can lay in stock for years before being used in a SB. Battery dead, system dead is really ridiculous. In that respect a Security SIM like Dreambox is a more sensible system..
Another thing I read is the continuous failing of power supplies. I bought a ET-4000 not to long ago. Nice price and enough for my needs. Hope my power supply keeps working...

[robertut]

Yes. The BackUp plugin works fine for me. You still may need to rename one file for the BackUp to work on usb, but this is no big deal at all.

 

Thanks.

[robertut]

Personally I would *never* buy any box/brand where the manufacturer decides when it's time to call it quits. Security against piracy/cloning is fine. But honest buyers of an original should *never* have to suffer from these methods. 2032 batteries can lay in stock for years before being used in a SB. Battery dead, system dead is really ridiculous. In that respect a Security SIM like Dreambox is a more sensible system..
Another thing I read is the continuous failing of power supplies. I bought a ET-4000 not to long ago. Nice price and enough for my needs. Hope my power supply keeps working...

 

Neither would have I bought it, if I knew the Xtrends contains such a "feature".

[Robinson]

I don't know about the new boxes, but older (ET5000,6000,9000,9200) will eventually die.

Does anyone know if the security board concerns ET10000 and ET8000 too?

[WanWizard]

They are from the same development train, so (without any evidence) I would say yes. The newer boxes, the 7000, 8500, ... have a new design. Which might mean other problems as well, we don't know.

 

I find it not a really interesting discussion. I had to replace the power supply of the DM 800, the power supply pcb of several DM 7000's, the elco's in the VU+Duo and so far no security board. We'll see what breaks next, in the end, something always does.

[Rob van der Does]

And I never had any hardware trouble with any box, except for the faulty security board of the Et9200.
Issues do occur on all machines, and you encounter them or you're lucky.

Anyway: the security-boards of both the 8k & 10k are a new design (compared to the older Xtrends).

[Frenske]

Several other new STB's also have the newer SB. For instance the 2400HD and the Formuler F1.
They only want to protect their design.

[Robinson]

Anyway: the security-boards of both the 8k & 10k are a new design (compared to the older Xtrends).

So what does it mean? Do they rely on a battery too? Can they suddenly die?

[Rob van der Does]

The new board is also 'married' to a battery. Xtrend claims the new designed boards to be more reliable (there were quite a number of faulty ones in the first design). I have no idea if that works out well, but tbh to this date I haven't heard of any issues.

[Robinson]

Xtrend had made a comment that when time comes, they will make a software fix - suggesting they would release a driver that doesn't check the SB. So far they haven't done.

I was not aware of that.

Hope they will release the driver soon, especially for the boxes that have been discontinued, such as ET9000.

[Rob van der Does]

They only did that for the 5k, not for any other box.

No idea why not, as these old boxes are certainly no target (any more) for cloning.

[Robinson]

Maybe we should put some pressure on the manufacturer?

[Rob van der Does]

How?

[Robinson]

Good question.

I guess hundreds of e-mails from disappointed users would not bother them.

But there are people on this forum and other forums who are closer to the manufacturer than you or me and they could pass the information about disappointed users, especially as the manufacturer promised to solve this issue - this is how I understood malakaudi's post.

[Zuppelan]

Demand replacement receivers under warranty. A manufacturer cannot hide behind end-of-warranty if there is a blameworthy flaw in the product. But one consumer doesn't have enough power to enforce, it is only feasible if consumers unite and are willing to sue if necessary.

[malakudi]

The only "pressure" comes from how you spend your money and, in case of people that their opinion is respected, what they do suggest in their cycle.

 

I will not buy again Xtrend until they really fix the issue, not just for me (I have 3 dead boxes) but for everyone. And that is what I am suggesting to people asking my opinion. For example, in a greek forum I was recently asked about VU+ Zero or ET7000. They have same hardware. I suggest people buy the Zero, unless they need the CI port that 7000 has.

Sure, PSUs break, capacitors break, IR headers fail, fan fail on many STBs. You can fix those problems with minimal cost if needed. The SB? No, you can't fix it.

Edited by malakudi, 15 May 2015 - 21:41.

[fotjon]

Hi guys, just came along this post searching for "warranty". My Xtrend 4000 is blocked with all three lights ON when booting (tv - shows 'invalid format' when connecting with the box).

 

This is my original post : http://forums.openpl...id-format-dead/

 

Based on the symptoms could the box be dead because of the issue "malakudi" describes?