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Re: IPTV Player - development thread #461 WanWizard

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Posted 1 December 2015 - 22:49

I have no experience with creating ipk's, but I have plenty with creating rpm's. And I assume you ipk's also have a spec file in which you can define dependencies.

 

So if you define your ipk to have a dependency to python-html, opkg will automatically install that when your ipk is installed. If it is not installed yet.

 

See for example https://wiki.openwrt.../devel/packages for detailed package information.


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Re: IPTV Player - development thread #462 gorski

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Posted 1 December 2015 - 22:55

I presume you are not talking to me, WW... :D since this is beyond my "knowledge"... :D

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Posted 1 December 2015 - 22:57

I'm talking to you, since you bring it up. If you're not the author of the package (i.e. the creator of the ipk), pass the remark along.

 

If the IPTVPlayer package has a dependency on pyhton-html, the ipk control file needs to specify that dependency.


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Re: IPTV Player - development thread #464 gorski

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Posted 1 December 2015 - 23:01

Do you see the image above? Are you aware of such a file in OpenPLi package, please?

 

Or anywhere in our hobby? Because, this is what I am talking about.

 

I tried finding it anywhere. If it existed, I think there is a chance I would have found it.

 

As things stand, it seems one would need to create it...

 

Or am I completely wrong here? Concretely, on the file needed, that is...

 

Anyone?


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Re: IPTV Player - development thread #465 samsamsam

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Posted 1 December 2015 - 23:17

What output gives this command:

opkg update && opkg install python-html

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Re: IPTV Player - development thread #466 samsamsam

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Posted 1 December 2015 - 23:22

 

I wrote it many times, I will not prepare ipk packages, there is so many E2 distributions with in many version, so I will not have time to doing anything else.

And for example how can I test ipk for VU for specific E2 distribution without VU?
Please think.
 
IPTVPlayer will work on any E2 distribution. The only thing you must do is installing missing python modules in correct version.

 

actually, when you have the ipk with all needed dependencies declared, it is pretty much 'e2 distribution' independent,

additional packages would be installed from given user's own feed during installation automatically

 

(and when instead user needs to find/install necessary packages on his own, it may cause more problems...)

 

 

I do not agree with you. 

Two things:

- the old version of E2 distribution do not have active feed but plugin can still work on them
- the package name valid one one distribution can be invalid in other
 
If you have time and knowlage about ipk please prepare valid one and share it here, please. 
 
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Re: IPTV Player - development thread #467 Taapat

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Posted 1 December 2015 - 23:25

I think that your problem is:

I am testing a new Mnigma, based on OpenPLi.

 

 

based on OpenPLi is not OpenPLi!

 

You can not be sure that everything is ok with python in this image, and that the feed has all the necessary packages.
I have noticed that some python packages in OE different from openpli, but it looks that your problem is in the image.



Re: IPTV Player - development thread #468 gorski

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Posted 1 December 2015 - 23:26

It could be. We shall see. I am now installing the original OpenPLi for XP1000 (which is why I can't respond to SSS's question). Stay tuned... ;)


<span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'>"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-incurred immaturity. Immaturity is the inability to use one's own understanding without the guidance of another. This immaturity is self-incurred if its cause is not lack of understanding, but lack of resolution and courage to use it without the guidance of another. The motto of enlightenment is therefore: Sapere aude! Have courage to use your own understanding!</span><br /> <br /><span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'>Laziness and cowardice are the reasons why such a large proportion of men, even when nature has long emancipated them from alien guidance..." I. Kant, "Political writings" (1784)</span><br /> <br /><span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'><a class='bbc_url' href='<a class='bbc_url' href='http://eserver.org/p...lightenment.txt'>http://eserver.org/p...ent.txt</a>'><a class='bbc_url' href='http://www.english.upenn.edu/~mgamer/Etexts/kant.html</a>'>http://www.english.upenn.edu/~mgamer/Etexts/kant.html</a></a> - the jolly text on Enlightenment, at the basis of Modernity...</span>

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Posted 1 December 2015 - 23:28

What output gives this command:

opkg update && opkg install python-html

?

 
OPKG is not only part of OpenPLI images. So, why you can not answer on my question?


Re: IPTV Player - development thread #470 gorski

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Posted 1 December 2015 - 23:32

 

I am now installing the original OpenPLi for XP1000 (which is why I can't respond to SSS's question).

 

;)


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Re: IPTV Player - development thread #471 samsamsam

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Posted 1 December 2015 - 23:33

Oh OK ;)



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Posted 1 December 2015 - 23:46

If you have time and knowlage about ipk please prepare valid one and share it here, please. 

 
Regards,
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FWIW,

tested on OpenPLi, probably should work on most current/modern e2 distributions...

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Re: IPTV Player - development thread #473 samsamsam

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Posted 1 December 2015 - 23:56

Thank you very much.



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Posted 2 December 2015 - 00:05

OK, OpenPLi from scratch: OpenPLi-4.0-beta-xp1000-20151201_usb.zip > noforce renamed to force but it doesn't work, one must mess with the front buttons of the STB...

 

WLAN stick is fine, seen, the driver installed, all cool...

 

Network:

-CIFS shared folders are not seen when one chooses a laptop with Winblows... (it does not "open" but collapses back to the general list of networked devices, Expert does not cover CIFS); manually added a CIFS shared folder - not working (kernel module for CIFS missing?)

 

-NFS ones are - Synology NAS easily mounts...

 

-install ffmpeg:

cd /tmp
wget http://iptvplayer.pl/resources/ffmpeg2.8.1_mipsel_nofpu.tar.gz
tar -xzf ffmpeg2.8.1_mipsel_nofpu.tar.gz -C /
rm ffmpeg2.8.1_mipsel_nofpu.tar.gz
sync
reboot

ffmpeg --version
root@xp1000:~# ffmpeg --version
ffmpeg version 2.8.1 Copyright (c) 2000-2015 the FFmpeg developers
  built with gcc 4.9.2 (GCC)
  configuration: --sysroot=/mnt/new2/xspeedlx1/build-enviroment/builds/openatv/release/et4x00/tmp/sysroots/et4x00 --cross-prefix=mipsel-oe-linux- --prefix=/mnt/new/e2/simpleeplayer3/tmp/ffmpeg/tmp/ffmpeg-2.8.1/usr/ --enable-cross-compile --target-os=linux --arch=mipsel --disable-mipsdspr1 --disable-mipsdspr2 --disable-mipsfpu --enable-shared --disable-static --disable-debug --disable-ffplay --disable-ffprobe --disable-ffserver --disable-outdevs --disable-doc --disable-htmlpages --disable-manpages --disable-podpages --disable-txtpages --disable-lzma --enable-openssl --enable-zlib --enable-stripping --enable-cross-compile --enable-small --disable-sdl --disable-xlib --disable-d3d11va --disable-dxva2 --disable-vaapi --disable-vda --disable-vdpau
  libavutil      54. 31.100 / 54. 31.100
  libavcodec     56. 60.100 / 56. 60.100
  libavformat    56. 40.101 / 56. 40.101
  libavdevice    56.  4.100 / 56.  4.100
  libavfilter     5. 40.101 /  5. 40.101
  libswscale      3.  1.101 /  3.  1.101
  libswresample   1.  2.101 /  1.  2.101
Unrecognized option '-version'.
Error splitting the argument list: Option not found

INSTALLING IPTV PLAYER

root@xp1000:~# rm  -rf  /usr/lib/enigma2/python/Plugins/Extensions/IPTVPlayer
root@xp1000:~# cd /tmp
root@xp1000:/var/volatile/tmp# wget http://iptvplayer.vline.pl/download/update/latest.pythonX.X.tar.gz
Connecting to iptvplayer.vline.pl (217.76.112.20:80)
latest.pythonX.X.tar 100% |***********************************************************************************************************************|  2465k  0:00:00 ETA
root@xp1000:/var/volatile/tmp# tar -xzf latest.pythonX.X.tar.gz -C /tmp
root@xp1000:/var/volatile/tmp# rm latest.pythonX.X.tar.gz
root@xp1000:/var/volatile/tmp# cp -r iptvplayer-for-e2.git/IPTVPlayer /usr/lib/enigma2/python/Plugins/Extensions/IPTVPlayer
root@xp1000:/var/volatile/tmp# rm -rf iptvplayer-for-e2.git/IPTVPlayer
root@xp1000:/var/volatile/tmp# sync
root@xp1000:/var/volatile/tmp# reboot

The same mistake again, the same module missing (see attached, please)...

 

Attached File  OpenPLi IPTV Player module missing.jpg   35.03KB   3 downloads

 

Is it clearer now?

 

Hope it helps!

 

:)

 

P.S. I will now remove manually IPTV Player folders and reboot, then try to install the ipk just posted (thanx for that, indeed!)...


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Re: IPTV Player - development thread #475 samsamsam

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Posted 2 December 2015 - 00:08

No! Not clear!

 

I asked you to give the output of the cmd:

opkg update && opkg install python-html

Why you did not call this cmd and give the output??

Sometimes your behavior is very frustrating.


Edited by samsamsam, 2 December 2015 - 00:10.


Re: IPTV Player - development thread #476 gorski

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Posted 2 December 2015 - 00:10

Don't shout, FFS!

 

I will, in a minute - I was doing it the same way, as for the other E2, to avoid any "misunderstandings"... i.e. to minimise "it's the other E2's fault"...


Edited by gorski, 2 December 2015 - 00:12.

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Posted 2 December 2015 - 00:43

OK, removed IPTV Player folder and rebooted, then installed the ipk > there was no trace of IPTV Player in Plugins (FTP also!) and not even the message that something was not available due to missing modules... Nothing whatsoever!

 

So, now:

opkg update && opkg install python-html
root@xp1000:~# opkg update && opkg install python-html
Downloading http://downloads.pli-images.org/feeds/openpli-4/3rd-party/Packages.gz.
Updated list of available packages in /var/lib/opkg/openpli-3rd-party.
Downloading http://downloads.pli-images.org/feeds/openpli-4/3rd-party-xp1000/Packages.gz.
Updated list of available packages in /var/lib/opkg/openpli-3rd-party-xp1000.
Downloading http://downloads.pli-images.org/feeds/openpli-4/all/Packages.gz.
Updated list of available packages in /var/lib/opkg/openpli-all.
Downloading http://downloads.pli-images.org/feeds/openpli-4/mips32el-nf/Packages.gz.
Updated list of available packages in /var/lib/opkg/openpli-mips32el-nf.
Downloading http://downloads.pli-images.org/feeds/openpli-4/xp1000/Packages.gz.
Updated list of available packages in /var/lib/opkg/openpli-xp1000.
Installing python-html (2.7.3-r5.3.3) on root.
Downloading http://downloads.pli-images.org/feeds/openpli-4/mips32el-nf/python-html_2.7.3-r5.3.3_mips32el-nf.ipk.
Configuring python-html.

Now, let's install the IPTV Player again:

rm  -rf  /usr/lib/enigma2/python/Plugins/Extensions/IPTVPlayer
cd /tmp
wget http://iptvplayer.vline.pl/download/update/latest.pythonX.X.tar.gz
tar -xzf latest.pythonX.X.tar.gz -C /tmp
rm latest.pythonX.X.tar.gz
cp -r iptvplayer-for-e2.git/IPTVPlayer /usr/lib/enigma2/python/Plugins/Extensions/IPTVPlayer
rm -rf iptvplayer-for-e2.git/IPTVPlayer
sync
reboot

After a restart > Plugins > THERE IT IS!

 

Funny, last night I tried installing the html package the same way and it did not work... hmpf... There might be the difference: that feed might not have had the full html package...??? Must ask...

 

Question: during installation of additional packages, it still uses some gstreamer 0.1 packages (fluendo mpegdemux) - is that OK?

 

Anyway, I OK'ed everything and now it is working!

 

ExtPlayer 3 (with or without buffering/low) would not work on FilmOn - no space on /hdd, it said...

 

I must mount my USB stick and HDD properly...

Thanx again! :)


<span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'>"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-incurred immaturity. Immaturity is the inability to use one's own understanding without the guidance of another. This immaturity is self-incurred if its cause is not lack of understanding, but lack of resolution and courage to use it without the guidance of another. The motto of enlightenment is therefore: Sapere aude! Have courage to use your own understanding!</span><br /> <br /><span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'>Laziness and cowardice are the reasons why such a large proportion of men, even when nature has long emancipated them from alien guidance..." I. Kant, "Political writings" (1784)</span><br /> <br /><span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'><a class='bbc_url' href='<a class='bbc_url' href='http://eserver.org/p...lightenment.txt'>http://eserver.org/p...ent.txt</a>'><a class='bbc_url' href='http://www.english.upenn.edu/~mgamer/Etexts/kant.html</a>'>http://www.english.upenn.edu/~mgamer/Etexts/kant.html</a></a> - the jolly text on Enlightenment, at the basis of Modernity...</span>

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Posted 2 December 2015 - 00:55


Question: during installation of additional packages, it still uses some gstreamer 0.1 packages (fluendo mpegdemux) - is that OK?

 

 

So, this seems that you have gstreamer 0.x in your image.

Please check this with this two cmds:

gst-launch-1.0 --gst-version
gst-launch --gst-version

And give the output.

 


ExtPlayer 3 (with or without buffering/low) would not work on FilmOn - no space on /hdd, it said...

 

No this is not OK. Are you sure that you set with no buffering player under blue button?


Edited by samsamsam, 2 December 2015 - 00:56.


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Posted 2 December 2015 - 01:49

Device Manager PLi 3.0 - cannot install...

 

System plugins > Mount Manager > OK. But not good, really...

 

Indeed, Gstreamer is 0.10.36 (GIT).

 

Python 2.7.3.

 

Mounted USB stick (for buffering) and HDD (recording).

 

Still, no juice with ExtPlayer3 for FilmOn/BBC1! Kicked out immediately, in 'no buffering/low mode'.

 

With buffering/low > buffering does start now (but seriously slow - possibly because of the WLAN stick or the internet or maybe old STB?) > no juice! Restarts buffering and endlessly like that! I never see the colours, sadly...

 

Resetting my modem (just in case) > re-try... no luck! Still excruciatingly slow...

 

Gstreamer player without buff/low > it works!

 

So, it seems it's down to ExtPlayer/ffmpeg?

 

Edit: I wanna give you the telnet output but I need proper, full commands, please...


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<span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'>"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-incurred immaturity. Immaturity is the inability to use one's own understanding without the guidance of another. This immaturity is self-incurred if its cause is not lack of understanding, but lack of resolution and courage to use it without the guidance of another. The motto of enlightenment is therefore: Sapere aude! Have courage to use your own understanding!</span><br /> <br /><span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'>Laziness and cowardice are the reasons why such a large proportion of men, even when nature has long emancipated them from alien guidance..." I. Kant, "Political writings" (1784)</span><br /> <br /><span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'><a class='bbc_url' href='<a class='bbc_url' href='http://eserver.org/p...lightenment.txt'>http://eserver.org/p...ent.txt</a>'><a class='bbc_url' href='http://www.english.upenn.edu/~mgamer/Etexts/kant.html</a>'>http://www.english.upenn.edu/~mgamer/Etexts/kant.html</a></a> - the jolly text on Enlightenment, at the basis of Modernity...</span>

Re: IPTV Player - development thread #480 gorski

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OpenPLi team: I can't get DVD Menu to work (song selection or subtitles settings, for instance). Just 'play' works and if you choose to continue from a previous point where you exited/stopped. And sometimes not even that. It takes forever to get it to go... when it does go....

 

Initially, I thought there was no DVD Player installed, so I installed it from the feeds (2.7, I think) but that behaved the same way...

 

Any remedy, please, if it is not down to my machine/WLAN/who knows what?

 

=========IPTV PLAYER > MEDIA=========

 

Playback over home network (quick test)

 

ExtPlayer 3 no buffering

from laptop (CIFS) - nothing worked!

from NAS (NFS) - no luck

It is kicked out instantaneously, as one tries...

 

Gstreamer Player no buffering

It works, by and large, whatever I tried.

But limitations are down to WLAN stick, I presume. I have to try using a LAN cable and see....

 

==========STREAMING==========

 

WebSTream > XBMC mxtv > eplayer3 (no buff) > Arena Sport 1 > OK

 

Supersports > kicked out immediately

 

Sky Sports > no luck, kicked out immediately and so did every other channel after this...

 

Greek IPTV > nope...

 

At this point I changed to GST Player (no buffering) > it worked!!!

 

Anyways, lots of hits and misses...

 

It's getting better and better!

 

Keep up the good work! :)


<span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'>"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-incurred immaturity. Immaturity is the inability to use one's own understanding without the guidance of another. This immaturity is self-incurred if its cause is not lack of understanding, but lack of resolution and courage to use it without the guidance of another. The motto of enlightenment is therefore: Sapere aude! Have courage to use your own understanding!</span><br /> <br /><span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'>Laziness and cowardice are the reasons why such a large proportion of men, even when nature has long emancipated them from alien guidance..." I. Kant, "Political writings" (1784)</span><br /> <br /><span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'><a class='bbc_url' href='<a class='bbc_url' href='http://eserver.org/p...lightenment.txt'>http://eserver.org/p...ent.txt</a>'><a class='bbc_url' href='http://www.english.upenn.edu/~mgamer/Etexts/kant.html</a>'>http://www.english.upenn.edu/~mgamer/Etexts/kant.html</a></a> - the jolly text on Enlightenment, at the basis of Modernity...</span>


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