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[Rob van der Does]

The law in the Netherlands states that the retailer has the obligation to inform (especially since this is considered a "deviation from the norm"), and the customer has the obligation to enquire. So both are to blame.

That's only partially true. For normal to be expected functionality the buyer may assume that to be in order.

You don't need to inform yourself if your new car would be able to drive. But if it can't the retailer should inform you about that.

[WanWizard]

Which is why I wrote 'especially since this is considered a "deviation from the norm"'...

[littlesat]

For a car it is logical that it drives, because that is the basic thing it should do as this is the mandatory goal of having a car.
For a settop box it is mandatory that it receives channels from sat, cable or dvb... The recording thing is a feature...
Now back to a car.... Not all cars have a airco... An airco is not mandatory for driving...

Whenyou buy a car at these days you expect it has airco by default.... But sometimes.....

Edited by littlesat, 16 September 2015 - 21:03.

[Rob van der Does]

You didn't read what I said Guido. I spoke explicitly about 'normal to be expected functionality'. An airco is an accessory for an car, and it should be common knowledge that (by far) not all cars have this accessory on board. Being able to record on the other hand is a normal functionality for all E2-STB's. As you said yourself: this particular VU-box was the very first E2 box not able to record.

 

I really don't understand why the two of you insist on calling buyers stupid while only the selling party is to blame? There was no way any buyer could have known in advance that this box would be handicapped. It would be the very same as an HDMI-port not delivering an HD-signal: did you check that for every device you bought (before buying)?

[littlesat]

For a set top box recording is an additional feature......... That is just my meaning.... And since vu zero most instread of all e2 capable boxes have this feature without a black boxed trick thing.. (lol)

Imfo not think or suggest users are stupid.... In this whole story vu is doing strange obvious things.. And I personally do not want to spill more energy into it!h

A car that does not drive is not a car... A set top box what delivers a picture on tv is still a set top box...meven when ti does not record.... When ci+ is enabled even more recording stuff can get limited....

Finally we even don't know if vu is really responsible for the pau file, because concretely we do even not know where this file is coming from....

Edited by littlesat, 17 September 2015 - 06:21.

[Rob van der Does]

Finally we even don't know if vu is really responsible for the pau file, because concretely we do even not know where this file is coming from....

I do.....

[littlesat]

And I understand your car comparision....
And still officially nobody can prove pau was coming from vu... . And mine meaning is that we should not put binary stuff in our standard feeds and install them by default... That is why we put binary blobs in the 3rd party feed.

My meaning is that when we want to set a good statement all together the images should at leasr not install these kind of blobs (pau, ci+) by default... Let the users install it at least pro-activaly...but this is just my personal meaning and in addition I do not have a direct influence on those other images... This it completely outside my circle of influence... But possibly someone is reading it so it still can be considered.

Edited by littlesat, 17 September 2015 - 06:55.

[Rob van der Does]

I can. But I won't show it publicly as that has no purpose

[littlesat]

I can only come to one conclusion.... We the playballs for this industries.... And we cannot do anything to stop this as long others accept it....

[Erik Slagter]

A settopbox is also known as a receiver, not a harddisk recorder. I think that says enough about what can be expected.

[Rob van der Does]

A settopbox is also known as a receiver, not a harddisk recorder. I think that says enough about what can be expected.

But we are talking about an E2-STB, and that makes all the difference: every E2-STB is known as DVR (OK, except one now ).

[littlesat]

The E2-STB recording feature is just like the airco of a car....

 

Without an airco you can still drive your car, but when it get's hot you'll experience a lot of discomfort

Edited by littlesat, 17 September 2015 - 16:01.

[Rob van der Does]

Wrong: an E2-STB without DVR function is not available (or better: until VU recently 'developed' one, there was none on the market), while finding a car without airco is no problem at all.

 

Again: that makes all the difference.

That makes a client who wants an airco in his car but didn't check if it was there before acquiring the car a not very clever person.

And that makes a client who is disappointed to find out his new Zero can't record a person who has been mislead.

 

Maybe the name could have been a clue: what can one expect when buying 'zero'

[Frenske]

Case closed?

[Rob van der Does]

Hehe, should have been closed already. Same arguments over and over again.....

[hemertje]

VU+ Zero (recording)

[Pedro_Newbie]

VU+ Solo Streaming Error

[nautilus7]

Solo SE has the same "feature"? No official recording functionality?

[Erik Slagter]

The dm500 couldn't record (properly) either. The first images couldn't do it at all, newer drivers had a workaround, but it never worked reliably. Exactly a "zapper" like the Zero is.

[fankoosh]

Solo SE has the same "feature"? No official recording functionality?

 

but everything will work once u install Solo SE pau plugin 

Edited by fankoosh, 18 September 2015 - 16:15.