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[blzr]

@huevos
took a closer look at your zap-speed proof movie, and actually I don't think you can compare your test to mine...

you zap test looked like 3 services from one (same) transponder, then 4 from another one, and again 4 from another (not to speak all of them were FTA)

and as I wrote in my tests each subsequent service was from different transponder than previous one (and different quadrant mostly, for that matter...), in addition all scrambled

I can pretty sure guarantee that if I zap through 5 services on same transponder the speed would look exactly as on solo4k

[Huevos]

@blzr, we are not testing the softcam speed, so I haven't included any encrypted channels in my test. I've made another video. Each zap is a change of transponder, and some are changes of sub-band. I would consider that "normal" zapping, that a typical user would experience. For me the performance is comparable to my Solo2 running a Universal LNB prior to the patch.

 

Video here: http://extra.satelli...ml.org/test2.ts (62MB).

Edited by Huevos, 7 March 2016 - 17:55.

[littlesat]

Beside the feeling of slow zapping.... Are normal lnbs etc... Stable???

[Huevos]

Vu+ Ultimo
Tuner A: Multisat, 18 fixed LNBs, 1x committed and 2x uncommitted switches in cascade.
Tuner B: 1.8m dish on positioner, DiSEqC 1.2, 60 satellites, 4:1 committed switch, 4 LNBs (1x C-band Cir, 1x C-Band Lin, 1x Universal Ku, and 1x fixed for 28E).
Tuner C: Fibo 90cm on USALS motor, 2 LNBs (1x motorised, and 1x fixed for 28E).
Tuner D: 1x fixed Universal LNB for 28E.
Tuner E: AverMedia Twinstar USB dual DVB-T tuner.

Vu+ Solo2
Tuner B: Direct cable to Unicable/JESS LNB. SCR 32.
Tuner A: Internal loopthrough to Tuner B, SCR 31.
Tuner C: PCTV Nova-T USB tuner.

Tuner A and B have full range of services from all sub-bands simultaneously.

Vu+ Solo4K
Tuner A: Direct cable to Unicable/JESS LNB via splitter. SCR 1.
Tuner B: Not configured.
Tuners C/D/E: Internal loopthrough to Tuner A, SCR 2/3/4.
Tuners I/J: Internal DVB-T2 dual PnP module, direct to Televes DAT 75 aerial.
Several different USB tuners also tried.

All working as expected.

Edited by Huevos, 8 March 2016 - 13:47.

[Huevos]

Good. No one has found anything wrong during normal operation. So...

[littlesat]

...probably someone can give me a green light to merge it in master.... First I would recommend Huevos check if we have the latest stuff in the jess branch....

[Huevos]

...probably someone can give me a green light to merge it in master.... First I would recommend Huevos check if we have the latest stuff in the jess branch....

There are no new commits. So you have everything.

[littlesat]

I'm waiting on comments from especially Erik... This is a big patch and for us it is teamwork... There are more than I who whould accept it... And remember we cannot verify the functionality at all...

[littlesat]

We see the cheapest JESS switch that supports 2 LNBs costs more than 500 Euro's....

[Huevos]

Littlesat, it depends what you are looking for. Basic 5/32 switch is 130€, and prices are falling fast as the technology is becoming mainstream. Also when you look at switch prices remember the output can be fed straight into current TV cabling. When you compare this against a conventional install in a block of flats a Unicable 2 install even at the current prices works out cheaper. This technology has had rapid take-up in community installs over the last year so you can expect prices to drop dramatically.

 

Anyway, for single satellite, you can buy a Unicable 2 LNB with 32 SCRs for less than 70€. That works out at 2€ per SCR.

 

https://www.hm-sat-s...alter-5/32?c=83

https://www.hm-sat-s...teilnehmer?c=83

Edited by Huevos, 11 March 2016 - 13:18.

[Erik Slagter]

Both devices handle only one position and can't be extended. That's too limited for me, I require two positions.

[DrData]

JESS + DiseqC work together. So it is no Problem to use a DiseqC Switch + two 32 SCR LNBs.

[Huevos]

Erik there are cheap EN50494 9/8 switches. Give it a few months and Unicable 2 switches will start getting cheaper. Anyway they are notso dear right now. Compare to a 9/32 Universal multiswitch.

At DrData, that means only one lnb would be available at once. That is no good with an FBCtuner, although it would work with some setups.

[Huevos]

The way I see it the greater the software support for this standard the quicker the prices of the hardware will fall.

[Erik Slagter]

Erik there are cheap EN50494 9/8 switches. Give it a few months and Unicable 2 switches will start getting cheaper. Anyway they are notso dear right now. Compare to a 9/32 Universal multiswitch.

Compare it to a "regular" 8->6 multiswitch, which I can buy for about 80 euro's.

The group of non-professional users will remain very very small.

Edited by Erik Slagter, 11 March 2016 - 20:56.

[Huevos]

EMP Centauri 8/1 (8) PIN 4 is an 8/8 switch. Costs 160 Euros here. No cables needed. You just plug the output into current tv antenna distribution system.

And for single satellite a 32 SCR LNB is excellent value.

[Erik Slagter]

EMP Centauri 8/1 (8) PIN 4 is an 8/8 switch. Costs 160 Euros here. No cables needed. You just plug the output into current tv antenna distribution system.

That's Unicable, not JESS. That's good value for your money, you can get it even cheaper. It's a bit limited though, it has no legacy outputs and no cascade, I guess that's why it's quite cheap.

 

Let me get this straight, I am all for Unicable support, just not JESS (without the proper hardware available). Actually I am going to by me a Unicable switch just for that.

 

I found a switch that's perfect for me (Inverto IDLP-USS2OO-CUO1O-8PP), but it appears no longer available, anyone knows how/why?

Edited by Erik Slagter, 12 March 2016 - 10:41.

[doubledip]

Maybe JULTEC GmbH will give you jess equipment for testing purposes, if you ask them.

[Huevos]

 

EMP Centauri 8/1 (8) PIN 4 is an 8/8 switch. Costs 160 Euros here. No cables needed. You just plug the output into current tv antenna distribution system.

That's Unicable, not JESS. That's good value for your money, you can get it even cheaper. It's a bit limited though, it has no legacy outputs and no cascade, I guess that's why it's quite cheap.

 

Let me get this straight, I am all for Unicable support, just not JESS (without the proper hardware available). Actually I am going to by me a Unicable switch just for that.

 

I found a switch that's perfect for me (Inverto IDLP-USS2OO-CUO1O-8PP), but it appears no longer available, anyone knows how/why?

 

Probably going to be replaced by a 9/32 Unicable II model. Now Unicable II is well supported it no longer makes sense making Unicable I products. The first 8SCRs on Inverto Unicable II products are backwards compatible for EN50494 anyway. So my guess is you will soon see a Unicable II switch from Inverto in the price bracket of that 9/8 switch.

[Erik Slagter]

Wel let's wait and see then