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Re: VU + Solo 4K vs Ultimo 4K? #21 Pr2

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Posted 3 April 2017 - 17:05

Thanks Erik this time the explanation is clear.


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Re: VU + Solo 4K vs Ultimo 4K? #22 nor50

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Posted 4 April 2017 - 16:27

We are not talking of USB tuners here, we are talking of STB build in tuners and internal (slots) capabilities.

No... I was asking about the pros for me buying a Ultimo 4K vs Solo 4K.


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Re: VU + Solo 4K vs Ultimo 4K? #23 Erik Slagter

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Posted 5 April 2017 - 17:24

One small detail :) .
The difference in 8 tuners, only for type DVB-C.

Not really. DVB-S also gives 8 tuners, but normally they're not independent like DVB-C. Unless using SCR (like I do), then they're actually indepedendent, so in this situation there is NO difference.

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Re: VU + Solo 4K vs Ultimo 4K? #24 Erik Slagter

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Posted 5 April 2017 - 17:25

We are not talking of USB tuners here, we are talking of STB build in tuners and internal (slots) capabilities.

No... I was asking about the pros for me buying a Ultimo 4K vs Solo 4K.
And, convinced? Will you need 18 tuners? :)

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Posted 6 April 2017 - 02:18

 

 

We are not talking of USB tuners here, we are talking of STB build in tuners and internal (slots) capabilities.

No... I was asking about the pros for me buying a Ultimo 4K vs Solo 4K.
And, convinced? Will you need 18 tuners? :)

 

 

I need more than 4...


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Re: VU + Solo 4K vs Ultimo 4K? #26 Erik Slagter

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Posted 6 April 2017 - 18:42

Then a solo4k will surely suffice. What kind of tuner anyway, DVB-C/S/T? That matters in this situtation. SCR or regular?


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Re: VU + Solo 4K vs Ultimo 4K? #27 nor50

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Posted 6 April 2017 - 18:49

I have 1w, 5, 13 and 19.2e. I have 3 cables from dish. Now I use 1 cable for a 4-channel SatCr lnb for 1w, but need more than 4 channels at the same time there. I also have one 4-port diseqc/1 cable from 5, 13 and 19.2 east, and that's ok. To be able to receive more than 4 channels from 1 w, I need an LNB with 8 channels, or an LNB with 2 SatCr-outputs I can use my 3. cable to a second tuner in the receiver.


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Re: VU + Solo 4K vs Ultimo 4K? #28 Erik Slagter

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Posted 7 April 2017 - 14:33

I'd say go for the solo4k, attach the SCR LNB to one input of the FBC tuner, then you will have access to all eight user bands. Add a dual DVB-S tuner and attach the other two cables to it ("regular", DiSEqC).


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Re: VU + Solo 4K vs Ultimo 4K? #29 nor50

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Posted 7 April 2017 - 16:54

Have you read the message...? It was why I should consider uptdating from Solo 4K to Ultimo 4K..


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Re: VU + Solo 4K vs Ultimo 4K? #30 mire

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Posted 8 April 2017 - 09:08



[quote name="Pr2" post="693089" timestamp="1491154810"]An FBC tuner is a complex that exists of ONE tuner, TWO inputs and EIGHT demodulators. That counts for EVERY FBC tuner.


Does this actually mean that with only one FBC tuner, you can't simultaneously record/watch two tv programmes from different sat dishes/lnbs?

I am considering a move from duo to ultimo 4k, but I have a dual dish setup, both with diseqc positioners, so two independent tuners are a must.

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Re: VU + Solo 4K vs Ultimo 4K? #31 WanWizard

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Posted 8 April 2017 - 11:17

If the tuner is not connected to a Unicable/JESS setup, it behaves like a normal tuner with looped-though tuners.

So indeed, if the tuner is tuned to a satellite quadrant, the other tuners are restricted to that quadrant.


Currently in use: VU+ Duo 4K (2xFBC S2), VU+ Solo 4K (1xFBC S2), uClan Usytm 4K Ultimate (S2+T2), Octagon SF8008 (S2+T2), Zgemma H9.2H (S2+T2)

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Re: VU + Solo 4K vs Ultimo 4K? #32 Satpal

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Posted 8 April 2017 - 11:34

If you only have one cable that's true. But with two cables from a dual dish setup you can of course always use both satellites independently. The question is how is "dual dish setup" is setup. It depends if they are single or twin lnbs e.g.


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Re: VU + Solo 4K vs Ultimo 4K? #33 WanWizard

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Posted 8 April 2017 - 11:43

That is correct, with two cables on the two inputs, the FBC tuner behaves like a dual DVB-S2 tuner, with 6 additional looped-through tuner (which can be dynamically used for either one of the inputs).


Currently in use: VU+ Duo 4K (2xFBC S2), VU+ Solo 4K (1xFBC S2), uClan Usytm 4K Ultimate (S2+T2), Octagon SF8008 (S2+T2), Zgemma H9.2H (S2+T2)

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Re: VU + Solo 4K vs Ultimo 4K? #34 Erik Slagter

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Posted 8 April 2017 - 12:07

I see the concept of a DVB-S FBC tuner remains a concept hard to grasp for most users ;)

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Re: VU + Solo 4K vs Ultimo 4K? #35 mire

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Posted 8 April 2017 - 13:46

Sorry, I haven't described my system precisely. I have two completely independent dishes. One is offset with diseqc actuator, and one prime focus with additional positioner, also diseqc controlled. They are now connected each to one of two tuners on my vu+ duo, and that's the setup I'd like to keep. Also, I find OpenPli as one of the best images because it features tuner priority setup, which many other images don't.

The thing which confused me is the post saying that FBC tuner is one tuner with two inputs, which sounded to me as if only one dish can be controlled at any time. Sorry for the confusion, and thank you all for clearing the matter.

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Re: VU + Solo 4K vs Ultimo 4K? #36 Erik Slagter

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Posted 9 April 2017 - 11:26

The "control" of the positioner is actually "done" by the input, not the FBC tuner. So yes, you can control two positioners with a single FBC tuner.

 

It works like this: You request a service from enigma, enigma determines which of the input the service can be received on, then, if it's free, the positioner and/or switch commands are sent on that input, a free demodulator is selected and connected to that input and reception can start. If the input is not free but matches the orbital, band and polarisation of the new service, a free demodulator is assigned. If besides that the frequency (transponder) is also equal, the already active demodulator is (re-)used as well.

 

For your setup I don't think you need an additional regular tuner at all.


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Re: VU + Solo 4K vs Ultimo 4K? #37 mire

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Posted 9 April 2017 - 16:30

Thank you! So, there is no problem to watch one service from dish A, and record second one from dish B with one FBC tuner, which is great for me.

Can somebody confirm that OpenPli image for Ultimo 4k also includes settings for tuner priority for watching and recording, like vu+ duo image? I don't want to be surprised unpleasantly. :)

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Re: VU + Solo 4K vs Ultimo 4K? #38 WanWizard

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Posted 9 April 2017 - 21:14

All our images (of a single version) run the same version of the Enigma code. So providing your box has hardware support for a specific feature, that feature is available.


Currently in use: VU+ Duo 4K (2xFBC S2), VU+ Solo 4K (1xFBC S2), uClan Usytm 4K Ultimate (S2+T2), Octagon SF8008 (S2+T2), Zgemma H9.2H (S2+T2)

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Re: VU + Solo 4K vs Ultimo 4K? #39 mire

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Posted 9 April 2017 - 22:06

Thank you guys! Keep up the good work.

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Re: VU + Solo 4K vs Ultimo 4K? #40 Erik Slagter

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Posted 10 April 2017 - 18:28

In this case it's a bit more complex, because the leaf tuners (CDEFGH) can be linked to any of the root tuners (AB). So yes you can specifiy that root tuner A (input 1) or root tuner B (input 2) has precedence for watching, recording, whatever, but as soon as the third tuner has to be allocated, it won't matter anymore. You can configure tuner C or tuner G to have precendence, but it's useless.


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