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[Abu Baniaz]

Are there already switches available for more than 2 positions? Cascading switches will quickly become a very expensive habbit...  
 
I'm planning to switch to Unicable/JESS as well, early next year, for 4 positions, so very interested in a cost-effective solution.

Unicable can address two positions. Technically it would be possible to cascade switches to allow for more positions, but I don't know if there is any one switch that supports such. JESS can address up to 16 positions (from the top of my head). Probably there won't be switches that actually can have 16 LNB's attached (= 64 cables....), but four positions is quite common and one can, with some models, cascade one or more other switches giving additional 4 positions per switch.
 
I didn't say it's cost effective though

Erik, can you please expand on how to use more than 2 positions? Hardware description followed by tuner configuration description please. Perhaps a diagram too. I have read post 136.

[GThomas]

location of unicable.xml in OpenPli 6.2?

 

lets see whos quicker

 

me searching, or someone here answering

[Abu Baniaz]

/usr/share/enigma2

[GThomas]

You won

 

 

setting changed,

 

restarting box

 

trying to set up

 

if i can set it properly, i`m taking it back to site tomorrow to plug into system

 

fingers crossed...

Edited by GThomas, 10 December 2018 - 23:48.

[GThomas]

ok, i was able to set

 

28.2E position 1(LNB1)

19.2E position 2(LNB2)

13.0E position 3(LNB3)

 

on tuner A

 

of course all set as unicable/JESS, with inverto switch and so on, without DiSEqC..

 

will report tomorrow

 

 

if it works-

 

does it make sense to make that change in unicable.xml (positions 4 instead of 2)default in next version of OpenPli?

[Abu Baniaz]

If the file is wrong, then it needs updating.

[GThomas]

and thats the thing...

 

the file isnt necesarily "wrong"

 

a single IDLU switch will indeed support only 2 satellite positions

 

its only when you double it up (with proper programming) it can acheve 4.

 

but i think it will be better to have "4" by default and in most of cases simply not use positions 3&4, than have only 2 available to start with and struggle if more is needed (like me, now)

[gorski]

This goes a bit in circles, hence my remark that you should read up.

 

The requirement of having only one Enigma box to serve many concurrent streams and recordings can only be filled-in with an FBC/Unicable setup.

 

It is not really complicated, but you have to let go of the way a legacy shared/switched system works, in a Unicable setup each tuner has it's own dedicated "channel" (the user band) to each orbital position, from a device point of view, the notion of switching or LNB quadrants don't exist. 

 

Not complicated? Depends who's speaking... With all the jargon, tech details and protocols, then new and not straight forward settings, plus perhaps a need to programme an LNB - I'd say this IS complicated. Hell, even guys here, who are obviously well grounded in IT tech - are obviously struggling. They can't even see how to control various settings for Unicable in E2 OpenPLi variety... So, c'mon, not complicated...

 

I did read up - not just this thread - and guess what I just read again, hence the "circles" is an apt comment: "in a Unicable setup each tuner has it's own dedicated "channel". And did I not ask something regarding how a tuner can be accessed so it can serve a device and how can it be set in the Vu+ server STB so it serves a device?

 

Sure, there are different ways, from straight streaming to a Droid device without a tuner or a non-E2 device with a tuner, to an E2 device which has no coax but can access the server tuner...

 

In short, I see no "simple" solutions offered by anyone, which is strange, you must agree, if things are not complicated...

 

On the other hand, my intervention was "in case it did not work the complicated way" - here is a simple solution I can see, IF one can clarify from E2 device which (specific) tuner it can use... IF - and that is my question - IF that can be done, so there would not be 3 devices competing for the same tuner. I.e. I was asking a Q - IF somebody actually knows IF that can be done, i.e. how does that actually functions, how can that be controlled precisely, IF it can be controlled... Does anyone know?

 

Otherwise, to be honest, I can't see much advantage in any of this... Why? Well, he mentioned that there are lots of cables running around, even through walls, so why not use those paths to add a coax cable?

[GThomas]

Because I'm not allowed to damage any single wall.


Well.. OK, OK. That's an overstatement.

I'm not allowed to damage most of walls there.

And the ones I can do not give me any decent way to bring the cables where I need them.

Edited by GThomas, 11 December 2018 - 08:08.

[GThomas]

Update:

Setup now confirmed as working.
All 3 positions available on request.


Re: changes to unicable.XML

If introducing any changes at all regarding this, would it be better to just change "positions" argument to "4"

Or

Make a double entry for this model of multi switch:
First for single multi switch, exactly as it is now
Second for doubled up multi switch, with "positions" increased to 4?

[littlesat]

Make a suggestion for the unicable.xml.... Of course via manual settings everything is possible...

[gorski]

Good news. Please, inform us in some detail how this is achieved, HW, SW, settings, how exactly does one stream from Vu+ with FBC tuner(s) to - well, which devices with which kernel/GUI exactly, how precisely is this done... so we can all learn...

 

Btw, I did not suggest any "damage" to walls but using the existing paths to ports in the wall, where one should be able to add one more cable, generally speaking. Of course, I do not know the details, so this is but a question, really...

Edited by gorski, 11 December 2018 - 10:37.

[Rob van der Does]

 Inverto Unicable II multiswitch 5/32 IDLU-UWT110-CUO1O-32P is for four satellites and I'm pretty sure Jultec has also multiswitches for four satellites.

No, it supports one universal LNB (= one satellite position) or two wideband LNB's (= two satellite positions).

But you can use two of those switches coupling them with a 'combiner' and hence double the number of satellite positions.

 

Have a look at the manual: https://www.google.c...rLgKC4F0wdk4OAF

Edited by Rob van der Does, 11 December 2018 - 10:51.

[GThomas]

Good news. Please, inform us in some detail how this is achieved, HW, SW, settings, how exactly does one stream from Vu+ with FBC tuner(s) to - well, which devices with which kernel/GUI exactly, how precisely is this done... so we can all learn...

Btw, I did not suggest any "damage" to walls but using the existing paths to ports in the wall, where one should be able to add one more cable, generally speaking. Of course, I do not know the details, so this is but a question, really...

As requested (for what its worth)

Will not elaborate on this VU+ with 3 satellites as this is still in works,
But here's my home setup:

Zgemma H7S, with 2x S2 tuner and 1x T2 tuner.
Plugged into single dish with just one LNB (aim 13.0E)

This way its capable of receiving 3 simultaneous channels- 2 from dish, and 1 from terrestrial.

Streaming requirement: webif enabled (default anyway)

Android box plugged into TV:
T95Z plus, octa core, 2GB ram, 16 flash, android 6.0, KODI krypton (if I remember correctly)

Setup:



https://m.youtube.co...e&v=rOvycvHy9Z8

Assign static IP address for enigma box.
Start KODI and go as follows:
System=>plugins(add-ons)=>my addons=>PVR clients=>VU+ client (works with any enigma)=>settings

Supply IP of enigma box
Make sure you ticked "zap before stream"
Decide do you want to import all bouquets or just one. If just one, make sure to type its name properly.

Click OK.
Click "enable"

Press "back" arrow (bottom of screen) several times to go back to main screen.
In the meantime you should see progress bar by the top of the scteen- importing channels.

Wait for it to finish.

On the main screen you should now have new option:TV


Phones/tablets

I've got Runbo Q5
Wife some Samsung.

On both I installed app DTEAM PLAYER.
in settings provide IP of enigma box
Save settings.
Player will import list of channels.
Before you try to stream anything, go to settings again.
Make sure "zap before stream" is checked
Save settings.


With this setup alone I was able to stream 3 independent channels on TV and phones.
The only requirement (in this particular case) is that one of 3 must be terrestrial(free view).

I take it as granted now that FBC setup will grant me 8 independent streams.

Edited by GThomas, 11 December 2018 - 11:21.

[gorski]

Thanx but I have that at home... slightly more complex, mind...

 

As you have partially seen from an image I posted earlier in this thread: 2 dishes, 12 sat positions with QUAD LNBs, 4 EMP 17in1 switches, 4 cables into the house, 3 x splitters for Sat TV/Terrestrial, 4 E2 STBs, 5 x 8 LAN switches, mostly CAT6 & 7 cables throughout the house, Synology NAS, 3 Droid media centres, 1 Rpi, 4 smart TVs, 2-3 smartphones, half a dozen tablets, 4-5 PCs and whatnot... Because I have many E2 boxes I did not stream to Droid devices but I did to other E2 devices, as I described above. The principle is the same, of course.

 

But the tuner you're playing with and technical obstacles, plus possibilities it brings are, of course, a novelty and hence interesting to a hobbyist...

Edited by gorski, 11 December 2018 - 11:35.

[HWTest]

Rob van der Does: You are right of course. I forgot to mention you need two of the and a combiner and ... wideband LNBs -  my fault.

I mentioned this set in this thread: https://forums.openp...ital-positions/ where GThomas also participated, so I thought he would know.

But next time I will be definitely more specific.

 

GThomas: For Android devices, there is a client (Vu+ PlayerHD) directly from VU+ and it is working great.

[GThomas]

Rob van der Does: You are right of course. I forgot to mention you need two of the and a combiner and ... wideband LNBs -  my fault.
I mentioned this set in this thread: https://forums.openp...ital-positions/ where GThomas also participated, so I thought he would know.
But next time I will be definitely more specific.
 
GThomas: For Android devices, there is a client (Vu+ PlayerHD) directly from VU+ and it is working great.

Yes, I knew that would need 2 inverto units.
Up to the point where without even thinking about it, I accepted your post as referring to 2 units.

Thanks for app pointer. I will definitely give it a try.

[jenseneverest]

well after reading this thread twice i am more confused than when i started. There are simply so many variables. so i will ask some direct questions.

 

1a.  With a unicable lnb (6 subscribers)  and motorised dish can i have full use of 6 streams on whatever sat position i am currently pointing the dish at ?

1b.   Will using usals or disquets have any effect on this ?

 

2a  is it possible to connect unicable lnb's and universal lnb's from a single fixed dish and single cable feed to a FBC tuner ?

2b  in my case two universal lnb's and one unicable lnb to cover sats at 19, 23 and 28 east, what switch would be required ?

 

3  what benefit is there to using wide band lnb's  VS unicable lnb ?

 

TIA

[WanWizard]

A wideband LNB is a Unicable LNB. It has two outputs, one for hortizontal, one for vertical. It doesn't have High/Low (hence the wideband). This is why an FBC tuner has two inputs, so you can directly connect a wideband LNB to it.

 

You can't mix unicable and legacy in a single switched setup,  You can have a mix of LNB types, even on the same dish, but they need to be wired seperately, and connected to different tuners (could be in the same box).

[GThomas]

Wanwizard:

I could argue with your post.

A)
Wideband lnb is NOT unicable LNB.
For lnb to be called unicable, it needs to be able to provide userbands and "insert" chosen transponders into these userbands.
Wideband lnbs cannot do that. They only provide H+V.
They are commonly used to feed unicable switches, hence confusion.
B )
Two inputs on FBC: I think it was said in HWtests thread that enigma at this moment cannot be set to accept direct input off wideband lnb?
C)
You can mix legacy and unicable. But only on the output side of switches or dedicated lnbs.
Take as example lnbs that have 2 connectors- one for unicable use, and second for legacy
Same principle applies to most of switches- even the ones I use have both unicable and legacy outputs.

But these outputs, in lnb or switch, cannot be combined together.
2 separate cables. Period.

Jenseneverest:

1a)
No. Motorized dish will give you only one position at a time. You can have all tuners receiving from that position, of course, but you cannot have, for example, 3 from 19.2E and 5 from 28.2E.

To do that- loose motor, ether fit 3 static dishes (like I did) or one dish with holder for 3_lnbs.
Fit wideband lnbs, use invertos IDLU-UWT110-CUO10-32PP, 2 of, programmed.
2b)
To the best if my knowledge none of these can be used (is feasible to be used) with unicable.

2a)
No. Unicable and legacy have to have separate cables.

2b)
As per point 1a.

3)
Unicable lnbs- ability to serve up to 32 tuners but off only one satellite position. Not expensive.

Cannot easily combine 2 or more of these lnbs to achieve 2 or more satellite positions.

Wideband lnbs- to be used as feed to unicable multi switches. With inverto you can achieve up to 4 satellite positions all accessible simultaneously. A bit expensive.

Edited by GThomas, 11 December 2018 - 13:51.