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[athoik]

@dhwz, we really need the new fe_modulation! (and a way to identify if tuners supports new modulations, 2 bits in fe_caps are not enough for all the new capabilities).

 

@@ -350,6 +368,10 @@ enum fe_modulation {
        APSK_32,
        DQPSK,
        QAM_4_NR,
+       APSK_8,
+       APSK_64,
+       APSK_128,
+       ASPK_256
 };

 /**

The fe_code_rate is nice for "UI". New tuners MUST work just fine with AUTO, and we already have the FE_CAN_FEC_AUTO in caps. Drivers can report AUTO for unkown fec.

The S2X delsys, I am not sure yet at that point, it might become an official delsys, but is NOT really a new delivery system.

If somebody commits a driver that makes use of S2X and that accepted by LinuxDVB all fine! We use it, backporting changes.

If nobody commits a driver that makes use of S2X then the fragmentation in Enigma2 schene will become even bigger, with manufactures choosing what ever they like, and that is a huge problem for PLi that make use of shared feeds and common codebase for all.

Edited by athoik, 8 December 2017 - 15:44.

[dhwz]

@athoik
I fully agree with your opinion.

[littlesat]

Aren't these modulation not automatically?

[athoik]

@littlesat, only FE_CAN_QAM_AUTO exists as capability.

I don't know if tuner can APSK_AUTO. And what if FE_CAN_ASPK_16,32,64 but not ASPK_8,128,256?

Capabilities needs a boost with a new API just like Mauro suggested on the mailing list.

[dhwz]

At least Dream implemented automodulation so yes works, but not sure which caps were used.

128/256APSK is not yet supported by any HW, or do you know some which does? Also not mandatory for broadcast but a can do feature but mandatory for DSNG if I'am not wrong...

Edited by dhwz, 8 December 2017 - 16:21.

[Huevos]

No it doesn't. It has a DVB S2 multistream extensions capable tuner. That is not DVB S2x.

sf4008 plays S2X transponders and I am not talking about S2 multistream.

[Erik Slagter]

We were talking of OpenPLi supported receivers The VU+ Zero4k will be the first.

[zeros]

Huevos, look at here, we tried with dm900 the same thing and it seems me, that no problem with the existing code and S2X. What is the exact problem for your box? I just want to know. I looked the patch, and it seems OK, but it seems, that without that patch some boxes (like dm900) can handle S2X. I already know, what is there inside that patch, but whay add it, if no need for it. Just I want to understand.

Edited by zeros, 8 December 2017 - 19:42.

[WTE]

We were talking of OpenPLi supported receivers The VU+ Zero4k will be the first.

 

Zgemma H7 has DVB-S2x if I am not wrong.
The HD51/VS1500 there is as well a DVB-S2x tuner available

 

Fec goes automatic in most DVB-S2(x) so that's why DVB-S2x works without any adjustment.

The patch is more visual to see your on DVB-S2x transponder and if you have an dvb-s2x tuner or dvb-s2

Edited by WTE, 8 December 2017 - 19:51.

[zeros]

So Vu+ can’t handle dvb-s2x and dm900 with just the same enigma2 can!? Strange..

[Erik Slagter]

 

We were talking of OpenPLi supported receivers The VU+ Zero4k will be the first.

 

Zgemma H7 has DVB-S2x if I am not wrong.
The HD51/VS1500 there is as well a DVB-S2x tuner available

 

Fec goes automatic in most DVB-S2(x) so that's why DVB-S2x works without any adjustment.

The patch is more visual to see your on DVB-S2x transponder and if you have an dvb-s2x tuner or dvb-s2

Apparantly you also missed the point where was explained that multistream is not the same as S2x?

 

VU+ Zero4k is the FIRST OpenPLi supported receiver that supports DVB-S2x

[Erik Slagter]

So Vu+ can’t handle dvb-s2x and dm900 with just the same enigma2 can!? Strange..

The same enigma? DMM's enigma has been closed for years. They will have diverged "somewhat".

[zeros]

Yes, the same, as in use is openpli. (homebuild)

Edited by zeros, 9 December 2017 - 09:55.

[dhwz]

@Erik Slagter
Nobody is talking about multistream all of these boxes do DVB-S2X right NOW. Without patching anything!

[Huevos]

 

 

We were talking of OpenPLi supported receivers The VU+ Zero4k will be the first.

 

Zgemma H7 has DVB-S2x if I am not wrong.
The HD51/VS1500 there is as well a DVB-S2x tuner available

 

Fec goes automatic in most DVB-S2(x) so that's why DVB-S2x works without any adjustment.

The patch is more visual to see your on DVB-S2x transponder and if you have an dvb-s2x tuner or dvb-s2

Apparantly you also missed the point where was explained that multistream is not the same as S2x?

 

VU+ Zero4k is the FIRST OpenPLi supported receiver that supports DVB-S2x

 

The current and most important change needed for Vu+ Zero 4K is this: using /proc/bus/nimsockets the tuner identifies itself as "Type: DVB-S2X". Enigma does not understand that so the tuner does not get found, and so does not even show in the GUI. To get the tuner to be available to Enigma the following (simple) patch is needed.

 

https://github.com/B...c7bedcc46963f26

Edited by Huevos, 9 December 2017 - 13:17.

[Erik Slagter]

@Erik Slagter
Nobody is talking about multistream all of these boxes do DVB-S2X right NOW. Without patching anything!

Which transponder on what satellite do you use to confirm that?

[Huevos]

 

@Erik Slagter
Nobody is talking about multistream all of these boxes do DVB-S2X right NOW. Without patching anything!

Which transponder on what satellite do you use to confirm that?

 

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[Huevos]

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[Erik Slagter]

The current and most important change needed for Vu+ Zero 4K is this: using /proc/bus/nimsockets the tuner identifies itself as "Type: DVB-S2X". Enigma does not understand that so the tuner does not get found, and so does not even show in the GUI. To get the tuner to be available to Enigma the following (simple) patch is needed.
https://github.com/B...c7bedcc46963f26

We are fully aware of this workaround. We'd rather make it good instead. It's not even certain that future versions of this tuner's driver will identify the tuner as S2x, we're discussing that right now.

 

So please, again, just wait, everything will work out.

[Erik Slagter]

 

 

@Erik Slagter
Nobody is talking about multistream all of these boxes do DVB-S2X right NOW. Without patching anything!

Which transponder on what satellite do you use to confirm that?

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Which tuner?