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#1 gorski

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Posted 8 December 2017 - 11:40

OpenPLi images are smaller (then OE-A ones, for instance), leaner and meaner, hence more suitable for older machines like DB500HD, with smaller (only 64MB) flash memory and RAM.

 

Here is how I set it all up, in order to make it work reasonably well, despite its HW limitations... Feel free to correct me, please... ;)

1) After the flashing, see if you can find and delete xfs.ko and ipv6.ko (some say they are not needed in some old STB cases) here:

- /lib/modules/3.2-dm500hd/kernel/net/ipv6 and

- /lib/modules/3.2-dm500hd/kernel/fs/xfs/lib/modules/3.2-dm500hd/kernel/fs/xfs

Some fonts and languages one does not need could also be deleted...

 

Also, I delete the stuff I do not use/need, like:

- cable.xml, terrestrial.xml in etx/tuxbox, then

- cable and terrestrial scanning folder in /usr/lib/enigma2/python/Plugins/SystemPlugins.

 

See if you can delete more stuff that you are sure you will not need... Feel free to experiment - you will learn, if you pay attention. :) The worst thing that can happen is E2 will not boot and you will have to start from scratch, only this time you will know what not to delete... :D

2) Then, I send to E2's /tmp folder the first 2 attached plugins.

 

a) Thanx to Dimitry from OpenPLi for Device Manager and

b ) the author of Flash Expander.

3) I also sent 2 small plugins to set paths for picons and EPG. I find them useful. They go to the above mentioned System Plugins folder.

 

Thanx to PowerBoard Enigma2 Team (RIP).

4) Remember, good practice is to RESTART after each change/installation! (Not in every case but better safe than sorry!)

5) Logic commands to install Device Manager first. I tested this plugin properly for Dimitrij and I can vouch it works well on OpenPLi for MIPSEL boxes! Get some more details here: https://forums.openp...1.2#entry782717

I have a 16GB USB stick mounted internally, in the USB port inside my F500HD. It is partitioned in 2 parts,

a smaller one, which I mounted as

- /media/usb

and a bigger one, which I mounted as custom

- /media/cf partition.

5a) /media/usb is about 1.5GB and it will be used for Flash Expander ONLY!

5b) /media/cf is around 14.5 GB and it will be used for

- picons,

- EPG,

- downloading subtitles,

- buffering,

- cash for IPTV Player and alike.

5c) I will add a USB HDD as /media/hdd later, after I set up these essential functions, so the structure of E2 setup is sound and E2 has enough space to do what is necessary.

 

5d) Mount them as FIXED (permanent) mounts, using the red button, I think, as you'll see...

6) Flash Expander is used to expand the /usr folder to the first partition of my USB memory stick. That way 64MB flash memory becomes a lot bigger for a lot more plugins, skins, tools and so on...

When it was all done, one could read this output in Telnet (sda1 is the /media/usb, now /usr folder, with loadsa space for all you want...) :

 

root@dm500hd:~# df -h
Filesystem - Size - Used - Available - Use% - Mounted on
/dev/root - 60.0M - 57.6M - 2.4M - 96% - /
devtmpfs - 66.3M - 4.0K - 66.3M - 0% - /dev
tmpfs - 64.0K - 0 - 64.0K - 0% - /media
tmpfs - 66.4M - 256.0K - 66.1M - 0% - /var/volatile
/dev/sda1 1.5G 132.0M 1.3G 9% /usr
/dev/sda2 - 13.2G - 161.5M - 13.0G - 1% - /media/usb

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Edited by gorski, 8 December 2017 - 11:42.

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Re: How to set up OpenPLi E2 in older HW, with limited flash and RAM #2 gorski

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Posted 8 December 2017 - 11:50

DB500HD will run out of RAM, even if flash is now large enough, so we better help it out by installing a SWAP plugin. I found one which works (see attached).

 

Here is a little "how to"... :)

It will create a SWAP file on a partition of your choosing and that will be your additional "virtual RAM", which certainly helps when RAM is scarce. And given additional EPG, picons etc. - one does need it!

Remember, I mounted /media/cf for precisely that purpose. Namely, flash is too small and HDD has moving parts, so SWAP file can not/ought not go to those places.

See the images attached... ;)

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<span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'>"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-incurred immaturity. Immaturity is the inability to use one's own understanding without the guidance of another. This immaturity is self-incurred if its cause is not lack of understanding, but lack of resolution and courage to use it without the guidance of another. The motto of enlightenment is therefore: Sapere aude! Have courage to use your own understanding!</span><br /> <br /><span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'>Laziness and cowardice are the reasons why such a large proportion of men, even when nature has long emancipated them from alien guidance..." I. Kant, "Political writings" (1784)</span><br /> <br /><span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'><a class='bbc_url' href='<a class='bbc_url' href='http://eserver.org/p...lightenment.txt'>http://eserver.org/p...ent.txt</a>'><a class='bbc_url' href='http://www.english.upenn.edu/~mgamer/Etexts/kant.html</a>'>http://www.english.upenn.edu/~mgamer/Etexts/kant.html</a></a> - the jolly text on Enlightenment, at the basis of Modernity...</span>

Re: How to set up OpenPLi E2 in older HW, with limited flash and RAM #3 gorski

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Posted 8 December 2017 - 12:00

OK, here is how to send an EPG file (which can be big) to a USB stick/partition.

After you see the initial screenshot, one presses the OK button on one's remote controller, then navigates to other possible destinations and one presses the green button to save the destination... :)

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<span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'>"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-incurred immaturity. Immaturity is the inability to use one's own understanding without the guidance of another. This immaturity is self-incurred if its cause is not lack of understanding, but lack of resolution and courage to use it without the guidance of another. The motto of enlightenment is therefore: Sapere aude! Have courage to use your own understanding!</span><br /> <br /><span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'>Laziness and cowardice are the reasons why such a large proportion of men, even when nature has long emancipated them from alien guidance..." I. Kant, "Political writings" (1784)</span><br /> <br /><span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'><a class='bbc_url' href='<a class='bbc_url' href='http://eserver.org/p...lightenment.txt'>http://eserver.org/p...ent.txt</a>'><a class='bbc_url' href='http://www.english.upenn.edu/~mgamer/Etexts/kant.html</a>'>http://www.english.upenn.edu/~mgamer/Etexts/kant.html</a></a> - the jolly text on Enlightenment, at the basis of Modernity...</span>

Re: How to set up OpenPLi E2 in older HW, with limited flash and RAM #4 gorski

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Posted 8 December 2017 - 12:07

And here is what you do with Picons... ;)

You get them from the net, unpack them on your PC, create a folder "picon" (without the quotation marks) and put all of them in there.

Connect with Enigma2 box using, for instance, FileZilla Client (freeware), and drag and drop the folder into your E2 mounted partition for that purpose. (It's faster to get it in MS Windows Explorer, then drag it from that window into FileZilla Client and release to the desired destination, I find...)

 

Then, you start the plugin/tool to direct E2 to them, like below... :)

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<span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'>"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-incurred immaturity. Immaturity is the inability to use one's own understanding without the guidance of another. This immaturity is self-incurred if its cause is not lack of understanding, but lack of resolution and courage to use it without the guidance of another. The motto of enlightenment is therefore: Sapere aude! Have courage to use your own understanding!</span><br /> <br /><span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'>Laziness and cowardice are the reasons why such a large proportion of men, even when nature has long emancipated them from alien guidance..." I. Kant, "Political writings" (1784)</span><br /> <br /><span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'><a class='bbc_url' href='<a class='bbc_url' href='http://eserver.org/p...lightenment.txt'>http://eserver.org/p...ent.txt</a>'><a class='bbc_url' href='http://www.english.upenn.edu/~mgamer/Etexts/kant.html</a>'>http://www.english.upenn.edu/~mgamer/Etexts/kant.html</a></a> - the jolly text on Enlightenment, at the basis of Modernity...</span>

Re: How to set up OpenPLi E2 in older HW, with limited flash and RAM #5 gorski

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Posted 8 December 2017 - 12:12

To set up one's RECORDING path (including TIMESHIFT path), one must change to a FILE LIST using your remote controllers MENU button, as soon as you enter the menu for this function, as seen below.

One doesn't need to remove a bookmark, one can simply add a new one, using MENU > navigate > OK > Save buttons... ;)

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<span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'>"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-incurred immaturity. Immaturity is the inability to use one's own understanding without the guidance of another. This immaturity is self-incurred if its cause is not lack of understanding, but lack of resolution and courage to use it without the guidance of another. The motto of enlightenment is therefore: Sapere aude! Have courage to use your own understanding!</span><br /> <br /><span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'>Laziness and cowardice are the reasons why such a large proportion of men, even when nature has long emancipated them from alien guidance..." I. Kant, "Political writings" (1784)</span><br /> <br /><span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'><a class='bbc_url' href='<a class='bbc_url' href='http://eserver.org/p...lightenment.txt'>http://eserver.org/p...ent.txt</a>'><a class='bbc_url' href='http://www.english.upenn.edu/~mgamer/Etexts/kant.html</a>'>http://www.english.upenn.edu/~mgamer/Etexts/kant.html</a></a> - the jolly text on Enlightenment, at the basis of Modernity...</span>

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Posted 8 December 2017 - 12:19

Only now are we ready to send a channel list into our STB, download plugins, tools, skins, softcams, do the fine tuning, mess with all sorts of settings etc. :)

We shall cover that a little later... ;)

=====================LET'S SEND A CHANNELS LIST TO OUR STB=========================

I used "Ciefp's satellite and VOD TV settings" as the basis...

But I also edited it for my setup, which includes an awesome all-round Zgemma H7S box, with 2 x DVB-S/S2 tuners and a DVB-C/T/T2 tuner:

a) UK terrestrial DVB-T/T2 services (Crystal Palace, south London transmitter), using an indoor, amplified aerial;

b ) T90 multifocal + a small, single position satellite dish

T90:
1) 39E
2) 28E
3) 23,5 E
4) 19E
5) 16E
6) 13E
7) 10 + 9E
8) 7E
9) 0.8/1W
10) 4 + 5W

Single dish:
11) 30W

Method used:

Firstly, I replaced satellites.xml included in the ciefp's lists with Reinh@rd's file (E2-satellites-xml-29112017).

Then, I used Dreamset app to delete the unused satellite positions and whatever was not needed (German terrestrial services, plus PV from satellites I do not have etc.) => Save As...

Then, I used DreamboxEDIT to open the newly edited list and send it to the box => restart E2.

I then scanned the UK (Crystal Palace) terrestrial services and that automatically created a new folder in the list (Terrestrial). After that, I manually scanned satellite by satellite, for everything that I can get here, in London, with the equipment I have.

After that, I used DeamboxEDIT app to get it out of the box and save in on my PC.

Feel free to edit the Favourites as per your needs/taste, of course...

Enjoy, if anyone has the need for something like this... :)

Btw, I have added a smaller version of the list, without radio channels, terrestrial ones etc. Just in case, for older HW... :D

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<span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'>"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-incurred immaturity. Immaturity is the inability to use one's own understanding without the guidance of another. This immaturity is self-incurred if its cause is not lack of understanding, but lack of resolution and courage to use it without the guidance of another. The motto of enlightenment is therefore: Sapere aude! Have courage to use your own understanding!</span><br /> <br /><span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'>Laziness and cowardice are the reasons why such a large proportion of men, even when nature has long emancipated them from alien guidance..." I. Kant, "Political writings" (1784)</span><br /> <br /><span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'><a class='bbc_url' href='<a class='bbc_url' href='http://eserver.org/p...lightenment.txt'>http://eserver.org/p...ent.txt</a>'><a class='bbc_url' href='http://www.english.upenn.edu/~mgamer/Etexts/kant.html</a>'>http://www.english.upenn.edu/~mgamer/Etexts/kant.html</a></a> - the jolly text on Enlightenment, at the basis of Modernity...</span>

Re: How to set up OpenPLi E2 in older HW, with limited flash and RAM #7 kalehrl

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Posted 8 December 2017 - 15:53

I was somewhat in the same situation as you with only 128MB of flash.

I removed samba and open webinterface followed by wireless drivers.

Something like this:

opkg remove samba --force-removal-of-dependent-packages
opkg remove openwebif
opkg remove dropbear
opkg remove nfs-utils-client
opkg remove wpa-supplicant*
opkg remove kernel-module-8188eu
opkg remove kernel-module-8192cu
opkg remove kernel-module-8192eu
opkg remove kernel-module-8192eu --force-removal-of-dependent-packages
opkg remove firmware-rtl8188eu
opkg remove firmware-rtl8192cu
opkg remove firmware-rtl8188eu
opkg remove firmware-8188eu
opkg remove kernel-module-ath9k-common
opkg remove kernel-module-ath* --force-removal-of-dependent-packages
opkg remove kernel-module-rtl8187
opkg remove kernel-module-rt2500usb
opkg remove kernel-module-rt2800lib --force-removal-of-dependent-packages
opkg remove kernel-module-rt2x00lib --force-removal-of-dependent-packages
opkg remove firmware-carl9170
opkg remove firmware-htc7010
opkg remove firmware-htc9271
opkg remove firmware-rt2870
opkg remove firmware-htc9271
opkg remove firmware-rt73
opkg remove firmware-rtl8712u
opkg remove firmware-zd1211
opkg remove kernel-module-r8712u

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Posted 8 December 2017 - 17:07

Indeed, I remember AZbug HD users doing similar things...

 

Trouble is, one would have to know exactly how to do it, the precise names of it all, which parts can be removed completely etc. Not everybody can do it.

 

However, what I described can be done by anyone, easily... :)


<span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'>"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-incurred immaturity. Immaturity is the inability to use one's own understanding without the guidance of another. This immaturity is self-incurred if its cause is not lack of understanding, but lack of resolution and courage to use it without the guidance of another. The motto of enlightenment is therefore: Sapere aude! Have courage to use your own understanding!</span><br /> <br /><span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'>Laziness and cowardice are the reasons why such a large proportion of men, even when nature has long emancipated them from alien guidance..." I. Kant, "Political writings" (1784)</span><br /> <br /><span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'><a class='bbc_url' href='<a class='bbc_url' href='http://eserver.org/p...lightenment.txt'>http://eserver.org/p...ent.txt</a>'><a class='bbc_url' href='http://www.english.upenn.edu/~mgamer/Etexts/kant.html</a>'>http://www.english.upenn.edu/~mgamer/Etexts/kant.html</a></a> - the jolly text on Enlightenment, at the basis of Modernity...</span>

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Posted 8 December 2017 - 19:16

Yes, but I like to keep things neat. Not just delete files.

For example, if you don't need mac80211.ko you can just do:

opkg search /lib/modules/3.8.7/kernel/net/mac80211/mac80211.ko

to see what packages provides that file and then just remove it with:

opkg remove kernel-module-mac80211 - 3.8.7-r6.13.1

If other packages depend on it, you can:

opkg remove kernel-module-mac80211 - 3.8.7-r6.13.1 --force-removal-of-dependent-packages

but be careful with it. It can be dangerous :D


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Posted 8 December 2017 - 19:52

It's not dangerous at all. It just takes your time, if you mess it up. You have to re-flash and start all over again...

 

Nice, if you know how to. What if you don't? Hence this "tutorial", which includes a little bit of "lightening the load", too......

 

Btw, you are right, I simply forgot to write I deleted everything to do with wireless stuff, as I have it wired - thanx for that!

 

But by all means, feel free to put together a nice little "how to" of these telnet commands, including what they remove.

 

That would be a better way, of course, if one wants to learn and has the time to go one by one and then put together a quick customising set of commands, so next time it's much more efficient and thorough...

 

I can only do the above... unless you help us with a proper "how to", with explanations, as to what each command does, of course, so we can choose according to our needs...

 

With THANX in advance! :)


<span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'>"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-incurred immaturity. Immaturity is the inability to use one's own understanding without the guidance of another. This immaturity is self-incurred if its cause is not lack of understanding, but lack of resolution and courage to use it without the guidance of another. The motto of enlightenment is therefore: Sapere aude! Have courage to use your own understanding!</span><br /> <br /><span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'>Laziness and cowardice are the reasons why such a large proportion of men, even when nature has long emancipated them from alien guidance..." I. Kant, "Political writings" (1784)</span><br /> <br /><span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'><a class='bbc_url' href='<a class='bbc_url' href='http://eserver.org/p...lightenment.txt'>http://eserver.org/p...ent.txt</a>'><a class='bbc_url' href='http://www.english.upenn.edu/~mgamer/Etexts/kant.html</a>'>http://www.english.upenn.edu/~mgamer/Etexts/kant.html</a></a> - the jolly text on Enlightenment, at the basis of Modernity...</span>

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Posted 8 December 2017 - 19:58

This is from my AZbug days, I got it from Amyren:

opkg remove --force-depends --force-remove tzdata-africa tzdata-americas tzdata-asia tzdata-australia tzdata-pacific sambaserver samba rt61-firmware packagegroup-base-ipv6 openssh-sftp-server kernel-module-r* kernel-module-usbserial kernel-module-zd1211rw enigma2-plugin-systemplugins-positionersetup enigma2-plugin-systemplugins-mphelp firmware-* enigma2-plugin-drivers* volatile-media rtmpdump kernel-module-mac80211 kernel-module-at* enigma2-plugin-extensions-epgsearch enigma2-plugin-extensions-cutlisteditor enigma2-plugin-extensions-dvdplayer enigma2-plugin-extensions-supportchannel enigma2-plugin-systemplugins-autobouquetsmaker enigma2-plugin-systemplugins-commoninterfaceassignment enigma2-plugin-systemplugins-cablescan dropbear libavahi* kernel-module-belkin-sa domextender kernel-module-carl9170 kernel-module-pl2303 kernel-module-ftdi-sio avahi-daemon enigma2-plugin-systemplugins-blindscan azbox-blindscan-dvbs-utils

As a lay person, I tried "unpicking" it:

 

opkg remove --force-depends --force-remove

wpa*

wireless-tools

tzdata-africa

tzdata-americas

tzdata-asia

tzdata-australia

tzdata-pacific

smbclient

sambaserver

samba

rtl8192cu rt61-firmware

packagegroup-base-ipv6

packagegroup-base-smbfs

packagegroup-base-smbfs-client

oe-alliance-wifi

openssh-sftp-server

kernel-module-r*

kernel-module-usbserial

kernel-module-zd1211rw

enigma2-plugin-systemplugins-positionersetup

enigma2-plugin-systemplugins-mphelp firmware-*

enigma2-plugin-drivers*

volatile-media

rtmpdump

kernel-module-mac80211

kernel-module-at*

enigma2-plugin-systemplugins-blindscan

enigma2-plugin-extensions-epgsearch

enigma2-plugin-extensions-cutlisteditor

enigma2-plugin-extensions-dvdplayer

enigma2-plugin-extensions-supportchannel

enigma2-plugin-systemplugins-autobouquetsmaker

enigma2-plugin-systemplugins-commoninterfaceassignment

enigma2-plugin-extensions-mediaplayer

enigma2-plugin-systemplugins-cablescan

dropbear libavahi*

kernel-module-belkin-sa

enigma2-plugin-systemplugins-wirelesslan

avahi-daemon

azbox-blindscan-dvbs-utils

domextender

kernel-module-carl9170

kernel-module-pl2303

kernel-module-ftdi-sio

packagegroup-base-wifi

kernel-module-8192cu

 

So, I would not remove DVD Player, as I am using it, for instance. How to remove all the unused languages, for instance? And so on...

 

But... is this correct, please?

 

Feel free to jump in... ;)


Edited by gorski, 8 December 2017 - 20:01.

<span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'>"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-incurred immaturity. Immaturity is the inability to use one's own understanding without the guidance of another. This immaturity is self-incurred if its cause is not lack of understanding, but lack of resolution and courage to use it without the guidance of another. The motto of enlightenment is therefore: Sapere aude! Have courage to use your own understanding!</span><br /> <br /><span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'>Laziness and cowardice are the reasons why such a large proportion of men, even when nature has long emancipated them from alien guidance..." I. Kant, "Political writings" (1784)</span><br /> <br /><span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'><a class='bbc_url' href='<a class='bbc_url' href='http://eserver.org/p...lightenment.txt'>http://eserver.org/p...ent.txt</a>'><a class='bbc_url' href='http://www.english.upenn.edu/~mgamer/Etexts/kant.html</a>'>http://www.english.upenn.edu/~mgamer/Etexts/kant.html</a></a> - the jolly text on Enlightenment, at the basis of Modernity...</span>
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