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Re: Playback controls #21 littlesat

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Posted 5 September 2018 - 06:28

Why should you relocate these functions....?

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Re: Playback controls #22 Rob van der Does

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Posted 5 September 2018 - 07:55

I don't want to relocate them; I want to assign them to the play and pause buttons.

And secondly it is strange that it is possible in HotKey to assign functions to those keys, while it is not possible to assing the play and pause functions at all.
 
 

Related to 'Playback control: why do the pause button and the play button do the same thing? To me this makes only sense when only a combined play/pause button is present, not when both are.
Even in the settings there is a dedicated setting for the pause button (setting the pause button to play/last speed/GOP).

 

 

..... and with hotkey you can redefine one of them...

Not that I could find. One can assign all kind of actions to the play/pause/play-pause button(s), but 'Play' and 'Pause' are not among them.

 



Re: Playback controls #23 littlesat

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Posted 5 September 2018 - 09:50

Because the pauze and play button do exactly the same... you can put another function on the pauze and/or play button... That's why...


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Re: Playback controls #24 Rob van der Does

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Posted 5 September 2018 - 10:20

So back to square one....

Why do we have

        <key id="KEY_PLAYPAUSE"
        <key id="KEY_PAUSE"
        <key id="KEY_PLAY"

if they all do the same?

Or, as I put it in my very first question:


Related to 'Playback control: why do the pause button and the play button do the same thing? To me this makes only sense when only a combined play/pause button is present, not when both are.
Even in the settings there is a dedicated setting for the pause button (setting the pause button to play/last speed/GOP).

It seems so illogical to have two different buttons for two different things but still doing the same thing.



Re: Playback controls #25 WanWizard

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Posted 5 September 2018 - 13:34

Some remotes have seperate keys for pause and play, some have a single key that toggles?


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Re: Playback controls #26 littlesat

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Posted 5 September 2018 - 13:46

But those who have two keys toggle on both...


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Re: Playback controls #27 WanWizard

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Posted 5 September 2018 - 14:19

So there is only one python function, "pauseplay", and all three keys are mapped to it, and your remote determines which key definition is used?


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Re: Playback controls #28 Rob van der Does

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Posted 5 September 2018 - 14:28

Some remotes have seperate keys for pause and play, some have a single key that toggles?

 
 

But those who have two keys toggle on both...

 
 

So there is only one python function, "pauseplay", and all three keys are mapped to it, and your remote determines which key definition is used?


And that was exactly my question.
Of course RC's havibf only one key should and do use
key id="KEY_PLAYPAUSE"
but why on earth would both Play & Pause do the same? I really can't think of any good reason for it. And the settings I mentioned do suggest otherwise.

So IMHO either assign the correct function to those separate Play & Pause buttons or at least offer the option to do so vie HotKey.

Re: Playback controls #29 WanWizard

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Posted 5 September 2018 - 14:38

That assumes that "play", "pause" and "playpause" are three different functions in the code, is that the case?


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Re: Playback controls #30 Rob van der Does

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Posted 5 September 2018 - 14:55

I don't know (in fact that's my question), but IMHO that should be the case.
From the user-side I can't see any reason why two different buttons with completely different naming should trigger the same function.

Re: Playback controls #31 Rob van der Does

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Posted 5 September 2018 - 15:04

From the keymap:

<key id="KEY_PLAYPAUSE" mapto="playpauseService" flags="m"/>
<key id="KEY_PAUSE" mapto="pauseService" flags="m"/>
<key id="KEY_PLAY" mapto="unPauseService" flags="m"/>

So IMHO there are indeed different functions available.



Re: Playback controls #32 WanWizard

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Posted 5 September 2018 - 15:19

Looking in InfobarGenerics, I see that "pauseService" and "unPauseService" are two distinct functions, and "playpauseService" was added to be able to toggle between the two:

def playpauseService(self):
    if self.seekstate != self.SEEK_STATE_PLAY:
        self.unPauseService()
    else:
        self.pauseService()

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Re: Playback controls #33 Rob van der Does

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Posted 6 September 2018 - 00:06

Meaning it should indeed be possible to use two different commands?



Re: Playback controls #34 littlesat

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Posted 6 September 2018 - 03:11

Maybe my mistake as I use a harmony that has pause play and both buttons do the same..when it controls a vu+

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Re: Playback controls #35 Rob van der Does

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Posted 6 September 2018 - 06:09

After checking my Harmony settings, I now have the following situation (on Ultimo):

1- The play-button does 'play' when paused, and 'unhandled key' when playing. So that seems OK

2- The pause-button toggles the play/pause state (so plays when paused and pauses when playing).

3- The behaviour of the pause-button does not adhere to the settings (see screenshots). No matter which of the three values has been set, the behaviour is exactly the same.

 

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Can this be fixed?



Re: Playback controls #36 littlesat

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Posted 6 September 2018 - 06:13

Maybe this is only valid for the ok button or the toggle play/pause button... I’m afraid we’re finding some weird things here wat is in there for years....

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Re: Playback controls #37 Rob van der Does

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Posted 6 September 2018 - 06:44

Maybe it's worth looking into this; it's really confusing as it is now.

Re: Playback controls #38 Erik Slagter

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Posted 14 September 2018 - 10:30

I agree with Rob here, they should all be assignable.

 

For example a combined play/pause button cannot implement frame-by-frame viewing, as the second press will continue normal play.


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Re: Playback controls #39 littlesat

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Posted 14 September 2018 - 10:42

A combined pause/play button will always do pause/play... You have the OK button where you can config frame-by-frame on (or the single pause button when it exists)... I do not see why it should add another re-assignable 'thing' here. As it is made now you lost the play functionality on the combined button when you make it configurable.

The biggest 'pain' what it makes it so extra complicated here is that we have so many different remotes.... There is no real E2 remote...

As it is made now all functionality is available.... And I think pause/play should do pause/play and never frame-by-frame where you have to relocate play to e.g. OK as you lost the play functionality on a combi key...

 

In short I prefer is doing nothing about this...


Edited by littlesat, 14 September 2018 - 10:44.

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Re: Playback controls #40 Rob van der Does

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Posted 14 September 2018 - 11:02

But then the settings should be changed or even deleted. It's quite confusing to have settings that are not working.


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