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#1 jeandubois

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Posted 19 November 2019 - 17:27

I'm looking for a a good explanation of the functions "calculate", "calibrate" and "allocate" as shown in the in the Positioner Setup Menu of my OpenPli/Enigma2 satellite box.

 

kind regards,

Jean



Re: Looking for a good explanation of calculate, calibrate and allocate in positioner setup menu #2 Dimitrij

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Posted 19 November 2019 - 17:54

https://github.com/p...tionerSetup.pdf


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Re: Looking for a good explanation of calculate, calibrate and allocate in positioner setup menu #3 Robinson

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Posted 20 November 2019 - 22:43

Perhaps it is worth copying the info here from Github:

 

 

Changes:
- The motor index field now allows numeric input instead of just a selection which
was cumbersome to use with indices going up to 50 or so.
- There was a performance issue with the tuning screen as it was using the scanner
screen. The required code is now isolated and tuning selection works much faster.
- The tune screen now correctly points to the satellite and transponder of the currently
playing service. The tuning screen now identifies the correct transponder as
predefined – if indeed it is.
- The motor index field is now correctly filled-in after selection of the satellite.
- Fields are added to specify an X coordinate for the gotoX command. This field is
automatically set according to the satellite tuned but can, of course, be filled in
manually as well.
- A gotoX command is added under the yellow button (USALS use).
- The auto-focus function is added under the red button.
- USALS calibration is added under the red button.
- Additional parameters are added in the advanced satellite section of the tuner setup
screen to specify the detailed characteristics of the rotor is use.
- A log function is added under the ‘info’ button to log the details of all steps and
measurement values, including the exact diseqc parameters. All actions are also
shown to the user in a status bar on the screen.
The rotor parameter defaults are reasonably universal but you should supply your rotor
parameter is known. The rotor speeds are in degrees/sec, one for horizontal and one for
vertical polarisation. These are only used to estimate the rotor movement time. The
‘step size’ is in degrees and is more critical as it determines the actual resolution used in
the position calculations.
The requirement for using auto-focus is that there must be a signal that the tuner locks
on. The auto-focus search range is artificially limited to +/- 5 degrees. The calculation
uses the weighted average, not the maximum signal position. All measured values are
logged. Use the ‘info’ button to access the log. There should not normally be more than
1 step between the center of the beam and the maximum signal position. The auto-focus
position can be stored in a motor index. The search directions are randomized to avoid
bias. The calculation of the auto-focus position should be reproducible. If not, the rotor
probably suffers from wear and tear and should be considered for replacement.
The USALS calibration is a way to determine a misalignment – if any – on your rotor
installation. Especially useful if the physical rotor setup is difficult to reach. At least
three measurements are needed, one on each opposite side of your rotor range and one
in the center. If the readings on the opposites e significantly different, there is something
wrong with the physical setup. If the deviation on each end of the rotor range is about
the same, an opposite shift could be applied to the site longitude to correct for a
longitude misalignment.
The requirement for using the calibration is that the target is within +/- 10 degrees. This
is an artificial limit to prevent inadvertent full-scale moves. The search directions are
unbiased.
There is something in Diseqc called Re-calculate. This is largely undocumented by
Eutelsat and does not seem to be implemented in most rotors. The usefulness is
questionable and is presently not supported.

 


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Re: Looking for a good explanation of calculate, calibrate and allocate in positioner setup menu #4 jeandubois

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Posted 21 November 2019 - 18:42

It would also be nice if this kind of information was also on the openpli wiki

 

Perhaps it is worth copying the info here from Github:

 

 

Changes:
- The motor index field now allows numeric input instead of just a selection which
was cumbersome to use with indices going up to 50 or so.
- There was a performance issue with the tuning screen as it was using the scanner
screen. The required code is now isolated and tuning selection works much faster.
- The tune screen now correctly points to the satellite and transponder of the currently
playing service. The tuning screen now identifies the correct transponder as
predefined – if indeed it is.
- The motor index field is now correctly filled-in after selection of the satellite.
- Fields are added to specify an X coordinate for the gotoX command. This field is
automatically set according to the satellite tuned but can, of course, be filled in
manually as well.
- A gotoX command is added under the yellow button (USALS use).
- The auto-focus function is added under the red button.
- USALS calibration is added under the red button.
- Additional parameters are added in the advanced satellite section of the tuner setup
screen to specify the detailed characteristics of the rotor is use.
- A log function is added under the ‘info’ button to log the details of all steps and
measurement values, including the exact diseqc parameters. All actions are also
shown to the user in a status bar on the screen.
The rotor parameter defaults are reasonably universal but you should supply your rotor
parameter is known. The rotor speeds are in degrees/sec, one for horizontal and one for
vertical polarisation. These are only used to estimate the rotor movement time. The
‘step size’ is in degrees and is more critical as it determines the actual resolution used in
the position calculations.
The requirement for using auto-focus is that there must be a signal that the tuner locks
on. The auto-focus search range is artificially limited to +/- 5 degrees. The calculation
uses the weighted average, not the maximum signal position. All measured values are
logged. Use the ‘info’ button to access the log. There should not normally be more than
1 step between the center of the beam and the maximum signal position. The auto-focus
position can be stored in a motor index. The search directions are randomized to avoid
bias. The calculation of the auto-focus position should be reproducible. If not, the rotor
probably suffers from wear and tear and should be considered for replacement.
The USALS calibration is a way to determine a misalignment – if any – on your rotor
installation. Especially useful if the physical rotor setup is difficult to reach. At least
three measurements are needed, one on each opposite side of your rotor range and one
in the center. If the readings on the opposites e significantly different, there is something
wrong with the physical setup. If the deviation on each end of the rotor range is about
the same, an opposite shift could be applied to the site longitude to correct for a
longitude misalignment.
The requirement for using the calibration is that the target is within +/- 10 degrees. This
is an artificial limit to prevent inadvertent full-scale moves. The search directions are
unbiased.
There is something in Diseqc called Re-calculate. This is largely undocumented by
Eutelsat and does not seem to be implemented in most rotors. The usefulness is
questionable and is presently not supported.

 



Re: Looking for a good explanation of calculate, calibrate and allocate in positioner setup menu #5 Frenske

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Posted 21 November 2019 - 19:19

What holds you to add it into the WIKI yourself? AFAIK WIKI is in general for the users and by the users. But there are some rules where users should think of when they add information into the WIKI. 


Mijn schotel is een T90 met 10 LNB's. Daarnaast voor de fun nog een draaibaar systeem met een Triax TD 78.

Dreamboxen heb ik niet meer. Verder nog een een VU+ duo2 met 500Gb harddisk + een VU+ Uno, Zero, Solo 4K, Ultimo 4K, Zero 4K, Uno 4Kse. + ook nog een Xtrend ET4000. Daarnaast heb ik ook nog diverse andere modellen w.o. een Formuler F4, ET8500, ET7500, Mut@nt 2400HD, Xsarius Fusion HD se en verder nog wel het e.e.a. waarmee op verzoek vanalles wordt getest. Iemand moet het tenslotte doen. ;) :)

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Re: Looking for a good explanation of calculate, calibrate and allocate in positioner setup menu #6 WanWizard

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Posted 21 November 2019 - 20:25

Yup, every user with an account on this forum can edit the wiki, it has single-signon.


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Many answers to your question can be found in our new and improved wiki.

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Re: Looking for a good explanation of calculate, calibrate and allocate in positioner setup menu #7 jeandubois

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Posted 21 November 2019 - 21:09

What holds you to add it into the WIKI yourself? AFAIK WIKI is in general for the users and by the users. But there are some rules where users should think of when they add information into the WIKI. 

Could you explain more concretely what you mean exactly  by "But there are some rules where users should think of when they add information into the WIKI."?

 

kind regards,

Jean



Re: Looking for a good explanation of calculate, calibrate and allocate in positioner setup menu #8 jeandubois

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Posted 21 November 2019 - 21:11

Thanks, do you know where I can find more concerning "allocate"?

 

kind regards,

Jean



Re: Looking for a good explanation of calculate, calibrate and allocate in positioner setup menu #9 Frenske

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Posted 21 November 2019 - 21:13

As I am definitely not a WIKI editor you’d best wait for the specialists which are able to give you proper advice how to add a (new) page in the WIKI. 
Most of my changes are about adding some lines in an existing explanation.  ;)


Mijn schotel is een T90 met 10 LNB's. Daarnaast voor de fun nog een draaibaar systeem met een Triax TD 78.

Dreamboxen heb ik niet meer. Verder nog een een VU+ duo2 met 500Gb harddisk + een VU+ Uno, Zero, Solo 4K, Ultimo 4K, Zero 4K, Uno 4Kse. + ook nog een Xtrend ET4000. Daarnaast heb ik ook nog diverse andere modellen w.o. een Formuler F4, ET8500, ET7500, Mut@nt 2400HD, Xsarius Fusion HD se en verder nog wel het e.e.a. waarmee op verzoek vanalles wordt getest. Iemand moet het tenslotte doen. ;) :)

Voor centrale opslag van media gebruik ik een Qnap 219P met tweemaal 2 Tb harddisks.

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