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[boki15]

maybe here is better overview:

 

https://www.transife...gma2/dashboard/

 

You want to translate?: https://www.transife...gma2/translate/

 

It was done just as scratch, you can see required PR for that here: https://github.com/O...igma2/pull/2538

 

I am not part of Pli team, do not be confused by the name, will give credentials to the account if you use it, guess it is way better way (with history and verifications and tools online etc.), much better to post them in this thread. If you dont like it, I will delete those accounts so that there is no confusion in that.

[WanWizard]

What is the reason for creating that account, and forking all repo's?

 

p.s. To make it clear, no complaints against a more structural approach to translations, on the contrary!

[boki15]

What is the reason for creating that account, and forking all repo's?

 

p.s. To make it clear, no complaints against a more structural approach to translations, on the contrary!

I will just post what I sent you over PM.

 

As I was told by you that this made some members here upset. You guys have any clue what you do on github? You have any clue what a license is? You have a clue that you can put your branch to private? I guess those who WanWizard meant have no clue about it all.

 

WanWizzard complained also to not have enough hands here, you want help, you get help, you can test but hey, why not finding few grunted users to complain . The result is I put the branch to private, you can set it up and configure on your own, seems you got enough hands for everything including updating this forum software

 

Here my reply to WanWizzard per PM

 

Ugh, your post brought me small smile on my face

 

I lost my saturday afternoon (my son has birthday today) to show you guys transifex.

 

Why did I create that account?:

1. Because I though that if you guys like it, you can overtake the account if you want, obviously it would be stupid with my.

2. Because I have no write access to OpenPli and registration on Transifex was done with account OpenPliTeam so that you guys have as minimum as possible work if you decide to use it, as account is configured to be part of OpenPli.

3. I mentioned in my post that I will delete the account in case you do not want to use or you guys simply want to do same work again.

4. You sources are open source!!! What the hell does it mean somebody forked or why did you fork?? Set it private if you do not want to allow forks.

5. A PR explaining everything was pulled to your repository explaining everything, why confusion is possible at all as well as I wrote you a PM about it and made a note in Forum which does not need to be edited.

 

 

..... bit of up-front discussion would have been better, so you could sync your efforts with @Pr2, who coordinates translations at our end.

 

I did discuss, I did more than that, I actually created it all and spared you guys ton of time in reading how to do it, instead, I gave you possibility to test it immediately and have ability to discuss about it (otherwise discussion would be useless).

 

 

You've .............................., with the thought someone is going to make clone images. A request was already sent to Github to shut the account down.

 

Well done guys, that's how you welcome people . I guess I am done with contribution and spare "Being Scared" for your members in pushing few fixes, new addons and similar. Well, thanks, simply replying to my PM would have been probably enough that you do not need it. Guess you guys want to build it yourself, so be it, it's private now and nobody of you has access, I will delete it later after I ate cate with my son instead to contribute to a group of people who can't even understand that they put open source code to github and allow it anybody to fork, good luck in trying to paint my intentions as bad.

 

Have a nice evening.

 

A bit of discussion  , I see people not wanting to discuss, instead they find time to report it to you and according to your words to github. I will laugh to read github's reply if they reply at all.

[boki15]

And it seems you can now fix invalid and incomplete numbers of plurals also by yourself, I removed the PR (the branch from from which I created PR).

To github.com:OpenPliTeam/enigma2.git
 - [deleted]             Fix-Invalid-and-Incomplete-number-of-plurals-for-strings

You still scared guys, well, enjoy your evening and keep posting your updates in this thread, for sure nothing ever gets lost with a great overview.

[athoik]

When a new account OpenPLiTeam appears from nowhere, at first you think, that somebody tries to fool you!

 

 

 

I guess using Transifex provides some advantages, eg an interface to create translations. everything is done on the web, no need to learn new tools, etc etc.

 

A prior discussion, about your intentions (although they are totally good and made to help), would help

 

So what Transifex can do for OpenPLi?

 

Why we need a new account?

 

How can users will collaborate on this? Who will train them? Do they need an account on Transifex?

 

Is there some kind of automation (Continuous Integration / Continuous Delivery) with Transifex?

[WanWizard]

Now you have found the need to make your PM public, here is my reply:

 

 

We see an OpenPLiTeam account appear, with a fork of all our repo's, out of the blue. The thought that someone might be busy with translations didn't cross our mind at that moment, no. At that time, no one had seen the PR or the forum post.

 

There is no problem with the fork, there is a problem with calling it OpenPLiTeam, You would not have been the first creating fake OpenPLi images, and it takes us an enormous amount of time, effort and sometimes money to battle those fakes.

 

Lets make it clear, I am very happy that it will be setup, as it means people can contribute without having to deal with git and poedit.

 

I just meant that with the proper discussion, it could have been setup without the need for a separate github account, so it all was ready to go as it should from day one.

 

One of the things we thought about in the past is for example to split the language files into a separate repo, so it is easier to assign rights to it, different from those on the enigma2 repo. Which in turn makes it easier to have a specific group maintain the translations, arrange access for external tools, etc.

 

You are making a lot of assumptions, and we've seen before that making assumptions about what someone else writes and means is very dangerous.

[boki15]

When a new account OpenPLiTeam appears from nowhere, at first you think, that somebody tries to fool you!

 

 

 

I guess using Transifex provides some advantages, eg an interface to create translations. everything is done on the web, no need to learn new tools, etc etc.

 

A prior discussion, about your intentions (although they are totally good and made to help), would help

 

So what Transifex can do for OpenPLi?

 

Why we need a new account?

 

How can users will collaborate on this? Who will train them? Do they need an account on Transifex?

 

Is there some kind of automation (Continuous Integration / Continuous Delivery) with Transifex?

 

 

- Why we need a new account?: you do not need, nobody said you need one, I said I can transfer the ownership if you do not want to recreate a setup, but to answer short: because I do not have write access to OpenPli

- How can users will collaborate on this? Who will train them?: I made i public now, so go please here and test by yourself, nobody needs to train anybody and if you want you can hire professionals too or translate with additional tools, there is no better translation collaboration than transifex and it is only free for open source.

- Do they need an account on Transifex?: No, they can sign in with github, google and linkedin (just check it out by yourself: https://www.transifex.com/signin/). You can also create account if you do not want to connect accounts.

- Is there some kind of automation (Continuous Integration / Continuous Delivery) with Transifex?: yes, please read documentation for more or github repo of transifex-client if you want to look at the code.

 

 

 

You are making a lot of assumptions, and we've seen before that making assumptions about what someone else writes and means is very dangerous.

I am not sure what you exactly mean by assumptions. If it is dangerous to fork your repo, why is that repo not private? If you trademarked some names, why doesn't anybody register those name to reserve them? It is ridiculous to speak about anything that people though, again, if your project is open source and in public on github, everybody can fork it. If a username is free, anybody can register it. If there is bad intention, you clearly would see first the post in thread or contact somebody like you to ask, come on, that was not the case and I still am in clouds about asking myself if and how many people have experience here with git and contributing to code development (translations sometimes a part of it). So, obviously, if you contact somebody or check the latest thread on forum or go to official project's page and see latest PR, you clearly can't missunderstand fixing your .po's as some cloning.

 

And as we are on cloning, how would it be forbidden to fork all repos und OpenPliXYUser? There is nothing preventing from it in no way unless you set it to private. It's not the case here, but if it would be, then I would say you misconfigured your github and should put the repo to private (those that you do not want other people to for).

[WanWizard]

I don't really understand what your problem is.
 

- Why we need a new account?: you do not need, nobody said you need one, I said I can transfer the ownership if you do not want to recreate a setup, but to answer short: because I do not have write access to OpenPli

 

This could have easy been addressed by discussing it first, so we could put on the table what we've been thinking and discussing about this, and do it right the first time, instead of wasting your time, and ours.

 

The rest of the remarks of Athoik are very to the point: setting the service itself up is the easy part. Embedding it into the organisation, the build process, the way po's are generated, the users, the translators, etc, is the complex bit, the bit that needs careful consideration. The lack of time to do this properly is the main reason we haven't set something like this up yet. If that isn't done (properly), you've just made the project more complex.

 

And it seems you can now fix invalid and incomplete numbers of plurals also by yourself, I removed the PR (the branch from from which I created PR).

 

I have absolutely no clue what you mean by this. I only wrote that your PR is invalid and can't be merged (CI fails on it due to an error in one of the po files).

 

If it is dangerous to fork your repo, why is that repo not private?

 

Not sure what you mean here too, but as I wrote before, our source is public, it is licensed GPL v2, and there is no problem forking it. People do it all the time.

 

If you trademarked some names, why doesn't anybody register those name to reserve them? It is ridiculous to speak about anything that people though, again, if your project is open source and in public on github, everybody can fork it. If a username is free, anybody can register it. If there is bad intention.

 

You clearly are clueless to what is involved in the legal registration and trademark process.  And the number of countries around this world that couldn't care less what is registered and what is not.

 

That doesn't mean we won't do what is needed to protect our name (within what is possible as a non-profit organisation).

 

If there is bad intention, you clearly would see first the post in thread or contact somebody like you to ask, come on, that was not the case and I still am in clouds about asking myself if and how many people have experience here with git and contributing to code development (translations sometimes a part of it). So, obviously, if you contact somebody or check the latest thread on forum or go to official project's page and see latest PR, you clearly can't missunderstand fixing your .po's as some clonin

 

First, I have already mentioned that we've noticed the new account long before we saw the post, I didn't even have the forum open at that point. No clue what you mean with the rest of your rant.

 

And as we are on cloning, how would it be forbidden to fork all repos und OpenPliXYUser? There is nothing preventing from it in no way unless you set it to private. It's not the case here, but if it would be, then I would say you misconfigured your github and should put the repo to private (those that you do not want other people to for).

 

Sorry, but this just shows that you completely missed the point I have made.
 

[boki15]

 

This could have easy been addressed by discussing it first, so we could put on the table what we've been thinking and discussing about this, and do it right the first time, instead of wasting your time, and ours.

I clearly addressed it and there was clearly no discussion about it, now you say it is good and you would have discussed about it, so why didn't anybody then? As you are already on that, how can you explain combination of PR, PM to you and thread post being done at the same time? What discussion did you expect to have and when? Yes, instead to speak about real things and issues and discuss proposed things your users seem to be hit in their ego, whatever the reason is, I have no clue about it, those who report instead to ask first might be those who could reply you this question.

 

 

setting the service itself up is the easy part. Embedding it into the organisation, the build process, the way po's are generated, the users, the translators, etc, is the complex bit

 

then you must have not missed that nothing has changed and needs to be changed in the build process, you can do it. And no, it's not a secret how po's are generated or where from do you think I get enigma2.pot file? It was described in commit itself as well as in PR and I wrote you in PM that you can have enigma2.pot somewhere (as you delete it now because it is junk, by your script). I also said that it is a scratch and your guys should probably first get familiar with it before jumping on the gun claiming some stuff which is obvious. On your translation process changes only that you guys need to take care of your english source file and that also can be done automaticly by simply pointing to a specific raw link (of any branch on any repo).

 

I mean, sure, you can just say that you guys have never used it and that you need time to get familiar with it. And as you say that it is easy to setup and that it is the easy part and then claiming that I might have not considered translation process is not correct . You might import those files by yourself and check for errors then maybe compile to see if everything works. However, on transifex you would never approve indonesian translations in chinese files and similar. You still can use your old way of translations, that is probably something you missed, so no, no new company restructuring is required, you will require new guides if you dislike to refer to already perfect guides from transifex, however, it is meant to make translation easy for devs and translators and those verifying translations. And you also have full history of it, who reviewed, who translated etc..., on github you would have only to commiter ID or some cherry picked commit.

 

 

I don't really understand what your problem is.

 

Now you become irrational with that question, why should I have some problem? Do you have some problem?

 

 

You clearly are clueless to what is involved in the legal registration and trademark process.  And the number of countries around this world that couldn't care less what is registered and what is not.

 

That doesn't mean we won't do what is needed to protect our name (within what is possible as a non-profit organisation).

 

Now you clearly become personal and you seem to talk about things you do not know, don't denounce yourself. If you speak in that way, nothing prevents me to show me what is legal registration and how to run a company. You are flying a little high with your assumptions.

 

You clearly can explain me now what this means, dont you: https://github.com/O...develop/LICENSE

 

Maybe you operate under wrong license, I dont know, but that would be your own problem.

 

You mention countries which have nothing to do with registration of non commercial accounts on github, I am lost with you connecting it now. You probably speak about OpenPli, can you then explain me again what license here is: https://github.com/O...develop/LICENSE ? What has forking a repo with opensource to do with registration of a company?

 

 

First, I have already mentioned that we've noticed the new account long before we saw the post, I didn't even have the forum open at that point. No clue what you mean with the rest of your rant.

 

So, once again, please contact github if you do not believe that the only option you have to prevent "legal" forks is to put it private, you do not have to release it over github which you do not do anyway.

 

 

Sorry, but this just shows that you completely missed the point I have made.

 

I guess you simply expressed that you do not understand what I say and it is not due some language barrier.

[WanWizard]

Now you clearly become personal and you seem to talk about things you do not know, don't denounce yourself. If you speak in that way, nothing prevents me to show me what is legal registration and how to run a company. You are flying a little high with your assumptions.

 

You clearly can explain me now what this means, dont you: https://github.com/O...develop/LICENSE

 

Maybe you operate under wrong license, I dont know, but that would be your own problem.

 

You mention countries which have nothing to do with registration of non commercial accounts on github, I am lost with you connecting it now. You probably speak about OpenPli, can you then explain me again what license here is: https://github.com/O...develop/LICENSE ? What has forking a repo with opensource to do with registration of a company?

 

This shows that you really don't understand what you are talking about, and don't even read what I write.

 

So let me repeat: THERE IS NO PROBLEM WITH YOU FORKING OUR REPO's. The GPL permits it, we are completely open source and GPL compliant.

 

The problem we had, and I have made that very clear, was with the github account "OpenPLITeam". You are the one going on about non-existent fork issues.

 

If you are well versed in trademark laws and think it is no big deal, I now ask you to arrange trademark registration and name protection, worldwide, for the names "OpenPLi" and "PLi Association", at your expense. We don't have the funds needed.

 

We will be very grateful for it.

[Pr2]

Hi,

 

Having translation possible through a website doesn't guarantee that you will have more translators.

I was also active on crowdin for other projects when I had plenty of free time (it is no longer the case now) and I some languages remains untranslated even if it was quite easily translatable.

 

I understand your frustration but you should have contacted OpenPLi prior to start your initiative to avoid all this confusion.

 

Pr2

[boki15]

 

This shows that you really don't understand what you are talking about, and don't even read what I write.

 

I find claims without any arguments useless. Instead to write that somebody does not understand something you could write what it is, and I guess we ride in a circle with that question.

 

 

So let me repeat: THERE IS NO PROBLEM WITH YOU FORKING OUR REPO's. The GPL permits it, we are completely open source and GPL compliant.

 

Who or why was reporting about it? Why do we have then this discussion? Why do you become personal without arguments in about the name, there is nothing wrong on it, it is free on github to register and anybody is free to register. That all despite it being useless because you and thread got the information of what it is, I even would not need to inform anybody about it no matter how many complains somebody makes to github, mainly, as you finally wrote the GPL permits it. We could get deeper into it if you have also correct history and if everything is proper, lets just assume it is.

 

 

The problem we had, and I have made that very clear, was with the github account "OpenPLITeam". You are the one going on about non-existent fork issues.

 

I still do not see any problem, as well as the reason for discussion about it, it is you who runs with that one again in circle, once again, you can't prevent users picking up any name, that's in github's hands and you can contact github with question to lock all *openpli* open names just for OpenPli, trying costs you nothing . Its pointless to speak about, also that it somehow disturbs you yourself as you were the one from begin who was informed before anybody else, where even that is not required, I just though it is good to do to void confusion, but you still repeat it like if I did something wrong, if I would create a code for sexyshop.omg, then I probably would call the account sexyshop.omg.team or sexyshop.omg.community, that would not change the fact that it is done for the shop itself. All discussion about it and you claiming it was somehow bad is simply ridiculous and not worth to continue.

 

 

If you are well versed in trademark laws and think it is no big deal, I now ask you to arrange trademark registration and name protection, worldwide, for the names "OpenPLi" and "PLi Association", at your expense. We don't have the funds needed.

 

I am well versed, but it is not my job. I also never asked for a job or expressed in any way to you that I have time, you can't hire me, you just got some of my free time. thanks for the offer but I am booked out for more than 730 days. I can on other side connect you with a person responsible for exactly those question and you can make a request what you need. In NL there are a lot lawyers in that branch, wonders me that you can't get there free consultation, you should.

 

As last, what do you think, how seriously can somebody take you offering something like that in public? I personally would take it as sarcasm, some as provocation, but none of those I understand, I mean why you write it.

 

 

We will be very grateful for it.

 

, like your users in reporting abuse  , right, the world is purple   

[boki15]

Hi,

 

Having translation possible through a website doesn't guarantee that you will have more translators.

I was also active on crowdin for other projects when I had plenty of free time (it is no longer the case now) and I some languages remains untranslated even if it was quite easily translatable.

 

I understand your frustration but you should have contacted OpenPLi prior to start your initiative to avoid all this confusion.

 

Pr2

Hello,

 

I have never said there will be more translations. I clearly said that transifex lets you connect your development with your community in very efficient way providing you much, much more than you have now and if you tell me now translation process is easy, then it contradicts WanWizzards talk about how complicated the translation process is. Where, with transifex, your users can translate directly from their smartphones if they wish to do so and your team only has to review translations, there is very nice overview of translated and untrastlated and unconfirmed stuff. I just dont want to dip into it deeper in explaining things that are well documented and can be tested. Paste here your github email or your transifex usernames so that you can be added as translator, administrator etc.. then you can get opinions about how it works and how your users would profit of it.

 

I am not frustrated, not sure why you write it.

[WanWizard]

Why do we have then this discussion?

You should ask yourself that, you started it, I've done nothing but rebuting it, but you keep going on .
 

Why do you become personal without arguments in about the name, there is nothing wrong on it, it is free on github to register and anybody is free to register.
 
That all despite it being useless because you and thread got the information of what it is, I even would not need to inform anybody about it no matter how many complains somebody makes to github, mainly, as you finally wrote the GPL permits it. We could get deeper into it if you have also correct history and if everything is proper, lets just assume it is.

 
I have also explained this already twice before:

• The fact that we don't have any legal protection doesn't mean we like others using our name. Especially not when a clone of our software is involved.
• We were aware of the github account hours before we were aware of your post and your reason for creating it, the account itself didn't provide any clue either.
• Again, it is not about forking the repo's, so your reference to forking and GPL is null and void.

If you are well versed in trademark laws and think it is no big deal, I now ask you to arrange trademark registration and name protection, worldwide, for the names "OpenPLi" and "PLi Association", at your expense. We don't have the funds needed.

 
I am well versed, but it is not my job. I also never asked for a job or expressed in any way to you that I have time, you can't hire me, you just got some of my free time. thanks for the offer but I am booked out for more than 730 days. I can on other side connect you with a person responsible for exactly those question and you can make a request what you need. In NL there are a lot lawyers in that branch, wonders me that you can't get there free consultation, you should.
 
As last, what do you think, how seriously can somebody take you offering something like that in public? I personally would take it as sarcasm, some as provocation, but none of those I understand, I mean why you write it.

 

That gets you off the hook rather easily don't you think ?

 

You pose something, probably with the assumption we are clueless about the subject, and when I challenge you to put your money where your mouth is, you run for the hills?

 

For your information: I was the one who did all the preliminary legal work to setup the PLi association, and at that time we did look into trademark registration. The fees at that time for initial registation (both registration globally and legal fees) were well over 40.000 euro's, and on top of that you have the costs for the renewals, and the legal and court costs to enforce the trademark (as the fact that having the trademark doesn't prevent any abuse).

 

Not the kind of money an open source team which survives on volunteers, donations and the odd sponsor can afford.

[boki15]

 

The fact that we don't have any legal protection doesn't mean we like others using our name. Especially not when a clone of our software is involved.

 

This is pure lie. Show me where your name was used to created something that you/this community refer as "clone"?

 

 

The fact that we don't have any legal protection doesn't mean we like others using our name.

 

This is complete nonsense! You have and use license. On that point you maybe want to talk about why at all your license is opensource and not some closed source? I think you are confused here.

 

 

We were aware of the github account hours before we were aware of your post and your reason for creating it, the account itself didn't provide any clue either.

 

It is not my fault that some people sit whole day long awaiting emails reporting them that their account has been forked. How many people have access to one account then? You put that info into public? What are your best practices then if several people have access to same account? Why is it my problem if those getting notification per email/api run crazy if somebody forks? You go again in circle.

 

 

That gets you off the hook rather easily don't you think ?

 

I do not think you got me off the hook, indeed, it was provocation, but I accept your excuse. Better question is why do you try to get me off the hook at all? If you want me to leave the forum you can gently ask or ban I guess.

 

 

You pose something, probably with the assumption we are clueless about the subject, and when I challenge you to put your money where your mouth is, you run for the hills?

 

I have no assumptions, it is you who has some. I have never expressed that you are clueless about the subject. You full mouth of nonsense has never challenged me to put any money, better watch your own mouth instead.

 

You do know that your behaviour and what you describe can be easily describe as a "complex". I am sorry if that's the case.

 

Run for the hills , I guess you get yourself "off". What money and where do you want to put? You mention money now for first time, thats why I should run for hills ?

[WanWizard]

This is pure lie. Show me where your name was used to created something that you/this community refer as "clone"?

 
Clone, Fork, semantics.
 
I mean https://github.com/openpliteam. You even took the time to copy our logo.
 

This is complete nonsense! You have and use license. On that point you maybe want to talk about why at all your license is opensource and not some closed source? I think you are confused here.

 
Please explain to me how and where the GPL license protects a brand name? The GPL is about the product, not the brand. A good read: https://halfelf.org/...snt-protecting/
 

It is not my fault that some people sit whole day long awaiting emails reporting them that their account has been forked. How many people have access to one account then? You put that info into public? What are your best practices then if several people have access to same account? Why is it my problem if those getting notification per email/api run crazy if somebody forks? You go again in circle.

Huh? Are you now blaming github notifications for the fact we knew it sooner than you decided to share your actions with us?
 

You full mouth of nonsense has never challenged me to put any money,

 

So you let me know that you are very well aware of the legal work involved in trademarks, even claim you can bring me into contact with a Dutch layer, yet have no clue about the costs involved in the process? Or assume we will be able to cough up those funds?

Seriously, I don't know what your problem is or where this is going.

 

It is just anger we are not that happy that what you have done, or rather, how you've approached it?

Or that we were not too happy with that account appearing on github?

Or you feel you've wasted your time on your sons birthday?

Or something else?

[boki15]

 

Clone, Fork, semantics.

It is, but lets be clear about semantics, wrong conclusions are done on wrong assumptions.

 

 

I mean https://github.com/openpliteam. You even took the time to copy our logo.

 

Another lame assumption. I put the map from SVG only without openpliteam logo, under which license is this SVG? Under which license are your images released and where is the info about it? I uploaded the logo as last step, after creating thread and to void confusion I left out OpenPli text from logo. I might have broke the license in that if I did not update the license, however, it would be straight lie by you if you try to say that this was done for some dark agenda to fool anybody if you were told about it and everything was explained before you first reply at all.

 

Ok, gladly waiting to see the license of the Image, please post it in next answer. Despite the fact that it was not done to fool anybody and it was also clearly stated as well as the purpose in first thread post here I made. Your arguments have zero weight where you mostly do not show any, you just try to assume.

 

 

Please explain to me how and where the GPL license protects a brand name? The GPL is about the product, not the brand. A good read: https://halfelf.org/...snt-protecting/

 

Please refer with your questions and claims about trademark/brand to github, it is them providing this service. If you do so, do not forget bitbucket, go2psi and other, that is not a question to me, therefore there is no need for me to reply in name of github and I guess you cant disagree on that, everything else would be just silly. Thanks for the link, maybe I will read it once.

 

 

So you let me know that you are very well aware of the legal work involved in trademarks, even claim you can bring me into contact with a Dutch layer, yet have no clue about the costs involved in the process? Or assume we will be able to cough up those funds?

 

You do not stop your provocation. I could bring you with a Dutch lawyer, yes, but I told you that I can connect you to a person where I never mentioned it is a dutch a lawyer, I asked you to go for consultation in Netherlands to some lawyer specialized on those laws, you should do it before you ask for job. Do you want me to quote it once again. If you play fool, then pay me in front and I will deliver you, it is kinda your team/community that "was so thankfull", I delivered, now you are still running hillup into the woods.

[boki15]

Maybe as last to those who are main translators, WanWizzard etc.. . How do you contribute to your github project's github if your users do not fork your project to be able in first line to make PR . I somehow dont get it, you can't really accuse a user like here for pushing pull request. Al this gets more and more to a mystery how in real you guys collaborate especially if there is in many cases contribution sent by email without clear sign of who really contributed and about project activity, instead only those who merge PR's appears and authors stay anon which is wrong.

 

However, was funny to see how contribution in such a boring topic like translations produced such hype and 1:43 wow effect , see you around

[WanWizard]

You still don't read. What part of FORKING IS PERFECTLY FINE isn't clear to you?

 

I somehow dont get it, you can't really accuse a user like here for pushing pull request.

 

Where did we do that? I only said your PR couldn't be merged because our CI system reported an error. See https://travis-ci.or...uilds/679752331

 

I have a distinct feeling there is a lot lost in translation here, as you continue to reply to and accuse me of things that weren't written.

[boki15]

You still don't read. What part of FORKING IS PERFECTLY FINE isn't clear to you?

It seems it is not clear to you, weren't you complaining about the username of the user which foked your repo? It is still part of the process. If forking would be perfectly fine for you, I guess you would not jump on false accucations which you made last few posts, now it is me who does not understand that forking your repo to PR was perfectly fine . You contradict yourself if your own statements and your team shows clearly up as non experienced if you managed in a group to make out of the issue contribution some fake cloning story, then trying to speak about license just to denounce yourself, later about username just to find out you should direct your questions to github, not me.

 

All in all, I am not sure you understand all topics you have accused me in doing and it came straight out of nothing, as you were informed and knew all intentions, if you claim anything else then it is not truth. After first commit was created, PR was sent too, so whatever made you nervous about the name or code, you clearly could see it all in your PM and in commit sparing you this whole s*itshow.

 

 

Where did we do that?

 

You did, I will not rewrite and requote your last few replies. As first nobody of you discussed, but you all claim discussion would be proper. Who to discuss it with then if nobody talks about it? You seem to disagree even on semantics but then at the same time you jump from topics after not being able to reply questions.

 

 

I have a distinct feeling there is a lot lost in translation here, as you continue to reply to and accuse me of things that weren't written.

 

Lost in translation is just another excuse, I did not accuse you in anything, it was you who started the talk about hills, mountains, mouths, licenses, trademarks, corporation and the process and founding it etc... and it is just about translation process and open source. Lost in translation to go offtopic? You were talking about quite everything just not about the topic and you were provocative in addition, there is no need to quote your replies, you can reread them and decide by yourself if you got lost in translation or not, I see everything clear and think you just jumped on the gun, probably to save somebodies ego, I dont know, only you can.