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[ciciol]

Hi, Does anyone have hbbtv plugin for VU + Uno 4K SE because WebKit keeps crashing. OpenPLi 7.3.

[Frenske]

AFAIK the webkit application works fine on my Uno 4Kse. If it crashes you might have a crashlog which you can add as an attachment.

[ciciol]

Please

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Edited by ciciol, 3 August 2020 - 17:24.

[WanWizard]

Something triggered by recent skin work (and maybe already solved in develop)?

@Frenske, maybe give Ian a ping?

[mimisiku]

Had the same on 2 VU+Ultimo4K models with fresh OpenPli 7.3. Pressing 'red' completely blocked the box. No crashlogs.. I am still convinced HbbTv is 'pulling a dead horse'

[ciciol]

It stands on this bar and you have to restart the tuner with the switch, otherwise it will not respond to the remote control. You can only make it louder and quieter, but it doesn't show the volume bar then.

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[WanWizard]

Every vendor has its own solution, so it is pointless making generic statement about "the HbbTV browser". Likewise, for issues we need to know the vendor.

[mimisiku]

Obviously that we are mentioning VU+

[WanWizard]

We've already established the crashlog posted is caused by een issue in the startup plugin, in turn (most likely) caused by the changes in the skin system.

 

So I don't know what added value your response has?

[Frenske]

Something triggered by recent skin work (and maybe already solved in develop)?

@Frenske, maybe give Ian a ping?

 

No need IMHO to ping Iansav as I tested the Uno 4K which worked too on several German channels. Logically I tested with a Release 7.3 of July 27. So I have no clue what goes wrong on his Uno 4K. I tested the Uno 4Kse earlier which worked too.

On my Ultimo4K I can confirm that HBBTV doesn’t work for a long time. FYI, I use a BT RC which might influence the use of the Webkit. I removed the webkit months ago.

[Gold_66]

AFAIK the webkit application works fine on my Uno 4Kse. If it crashes you might have a crashlog which you can add as an attachment.

Sorry, but am I missing something here? Because just two days ago I asked if HbbTV could be made available for Octagon SF8008 like in OpenATV, and this was the answer I got:

 

https://forums.openp...dpost&p=1240402

 

Is this some sort of "Yes for Vu+, no for Octagon" situation?

[WanWizard]

No, VU+ supplies a HbbTV solution for its boxes, Octagon does not.

[Gold_66]

No, VU+ supplies a HbbTV solution for its boxes, Octagon does not.

Ah, ok. Thanks for clarification.

Apparently that solution works for Octagon as well, but you say it's wrong, because it doesn't come from the vendor - I respect that, and think it's one of the many reasons for going back to Vu+.

[WanWizard]

The VU+ implementation isn't without its issues too.

 

HbbTV is implemented by using a standard web browser engine (either webkit, chromium or Opera), to which a HbbTV Javascript application is added (this is the closed source bit, it is purchased under license by the vendor) and a library that allows interfacing with Enigma (to define and locate the video area, pass stream information and key presses, etc).

 

The problem is that the HbbTV standard evolves, and no application is bug free, so the vendor should keep their HbbTV application component up to date. And not a single vendor does that, they implement, put the HbbTV logo on the packaging, and forget about it.

 

This means that as providers start to implement new features, the HbbTV implementation starts to fail.

 

Second problem is that Enigma also evolves, which means the interface component has to evolve with it, and this also doesn't happen.

 

In the end, all vendors are there to make money, and they'll probably laugh the dick out of their pants that some open source geeks keep making sure it all works, for absolutely no cost to them...

[mimisiku]

It's "laughing their socks off". IMHO HbbTV should be removed completely from the image since it is known that it's no going to work.. Furthermore vendors are still happily advertising HbbTV on their packaging well knowing it's not working.... Not just with OpenPli, other images have the same problems regarding HbbTV. On my VU+Ultimo4K and VU+Zero4K running on VTi HbbTV doen't work (properly).

[WanWizard]

I know, I find the Dutch saying more "expressive"...

 

As I wrote in another thread, it is not a problem to make it work properly, and on every box. Webkit is Open Source, Enigma is Open Source, and Samsung as open sourced their HbbTV app. All that is missing is a developer willing to take this on.

 

As to the vendors, I don't know what the status is HbbTV of VU+' own image, I guess that is the only thing they're interested in. And most other vendors don't even have an image, they put ATV on it.

[Trial]

Hi,

when I look into HbbTV on my VUs it looks OK but I do not use it often. I do not think that a lot of devs are working on software for E2-STBs as it is a dying species.

 

Ralf

[Pr2]

It stands on this bar and you have to restart the tuner with the switch, otherwise it will not respond to the remote control. You can only make it louder and quieter, but it doesn't show the volume bar then.

 

If you enable the Universal RCU capability of your VU+ RCU the Vol+/Vol- are no longer send to the STB but directly to the TV.

That's why you can increase/decrease the volume from the VU+ RCU, it is handled by your TV and not your VU+.

[ciciol]

I am not enabling the Universal RCU feature. The tuner is locked after pressing the red HbbTV launch button. I uninstalled the WebKit plugin and skipped the topic.

Edited by ciciol, 6 August 2020 - 11:48.

[mimisiku]

Uninstalling is not enough. The WebKit still resides in /usr/lib/enigma2/Python/extension/WebKit