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[bheasman]

VU+ DUO 4KSE  with OpenPli Version 8.0 stable release.

I have 2 CI+ smart cards, TV Vlaanderen and Telesat.  with a Bouquet for each card.

Installed additional Plugin - Common Interface assignment

Cam 1 TV Vlaanderen with valid servicies assigned via Common Interface Assignment.    No CAid selected

Cam 2 Telesat the same. 

Both Cards are M7 CAM701 Multi-2

Multiple service = Auto

PID Filtering off.

 

Problem. If receiver on La Une , CAM 2 and on the service for a while, if you switch service to EEN CAM1 , there maybe no picture. It is variable.

Select another valid service in CAM 1, eg Canvas then you have a picture.

An annoying problem.

 

However when setting a future recording for CAM 1  and the receiver has been switched off when last service is CAM 2 then the CAM 1 recording maybe a blank.

Very annoying when the recording is part 2 of a program.

 

Any suggestions   Thanks

[Frenske]

Hi,

 

Welcome to the OpenPLi supportboard.

To be honest the use of CI modules in general is IMHO a pain in the ass although both my modules, M7 and Joyne work ok. I don’t use the CI assignment but I only use the modules for testing purposes and not on a daily base.

Did you ever test without the CI assignment plugin?

[bheasman]

Yes I tested without the CI assigment plug in. Received messages like you are not authorised for this service.  System couldn't decide what card to use. Was a nightmare.

So bad that I was considering selling the box and continue using the old Dream receiver with the softcam.

But Telesat has removed the media guard encoding option on 2 services and you need VIAcess for the 4K service.

The CI assignment plug in was a 'god send' fixing the confusion on which card to use.

I have noticed that the unused card hibinates (red ). It changes to green when switching bouquets.

But not always a picture. Seems very dependent on how long you remain on a bouquet.  CI+ card.

[Dimitrij]

1)Maybe set Multiple service  yes for test

 

 

Problem. If receiver on La Une , CAM 2 and on the service for a while, if you switch service to EEN CAM1 , there maybe no picture. It is variable.

Select another valid service in CAM 1, eg Canvas then you have a picture.

An annoying problem.

2)enigma2-plugin-systemplugins-slowzap_2.1_all.ipk

https://forums.openp...ttach_id=129721

Add services list 1-->CAM 1

Add services list 2-->CAM 2

Restart service after change services list -->yes

 

However when setting a future recording for CAM 1  and the receiver has been switched off when last service is CAM 2 then the CAM 1 recording maybe a blank.

Very annoying when the recording is part 2 of a program.

3)zap+record in timer setup

[bheasman]

Dimitri thanks for your suggestions, appreciated.

 

Tried setting multiple service to yes.  Assume button green is yes.

Restarted receiver.  Cam 2 worked, Telesat, could not get any services on Cam 1 TV Vlaanderen.

Reset Cam's to Auto, restarted receiver working. 

Tried 2nd time setting multiple to yes, restarted receiver and it is working this time. 

Will try receiver for a couple of days or until it fails,  to see if this fixes before trying your next suggestion.

 

Ref. Recording.   Today set timer to record 12.00 to 13.00 TF1   and to record 13.25 to 14.05   TPIK .   Both on CAM2 Telesat.  TF1 recorded OK,  TPIK was a blank recording.

Receiver was in standby mode.  Looks like switching CAM's is not the problem.

Will try ZAP+ Record and repeat this tomorrow.

[mimisiku]

The problem lies with the modules Being exactly the same. Both 0500 as CAID. The hardware/software simply can't differentiate. Only the Duo4K and DM9*0 can.

[Dimitrij]

Common Interface Assignment add services for Cam 1/Cam 2.

[bheasman]

Mimisiku, You say only the VU+ 4k   can differentiate , I have the later model of the VU+4k The SE version.  It works most of the time.  Changing the CI+ setting, Multiple service to Yes,  suggested by  Dimitri has improved reliabilty. There are still failures but that could be because of me stressing the RX. Switching 5 -6 times in quick succession.

I too found the CAID was the same for both companies. So left this option blank in Common interface assignment, only assigned services.

I have noticed that the correct CI+ card is ALWAYS selected when changing French to Dutch or vice versa.

The LED on the end of the card changes to Green, after flashing.

I have tried  the zap+ record and this turns the TV on as well. Not tried the record function without ZAP with Multiple service set to yes.Testing that today.

It could of course be a hardware problem with the machine.

Before the luxury of OpenPli I used the first release of the VU software. Just getting a single CI not even a CI+ card to work was a problem.

Had to wait 5 minutes before I got a picture, 50/50 chance of having WiFi working.

Even now when you do a cold start or warm start you are not sure what will happen. Very very much better though with OpenPli.

[mimisiku]

The Duo4K uses a newer SoC than the Duo4K se. Hence the Ultimo4K can't differentiate either.... It's the same SoC

[bheasman]

These changes seem to improve the reliability considerable but they do limit the functionality. 

 

1.  Install Common Interface assignment plugin and assign the appropriate  services to the appropriate card. 

 

2. Set Multiple service to Yes.   This improves the switching between Cam 1 and Cam 2 services. Although switching to the UHD service  4K   (Insight)  when on Cam 1 to CAM 2 is inconsistant.

 

3.  Recording.   Use ZAP + Record for scrambled services. FTA works fine with just record.

     Why:-  With record only, if receiver is on TF1 CAM 1 and you wish later (after 1st recording finished) to record La Une (same CAM 1 but different transponder) receiver uses the 2nd Tuner but the CI+ card seems only to support decoding 1 transponder.

     Downside, when ZAP+Record is used, it turns on TV, but doesn't turn off TV when recording is finished.   So you have to disable HDMI CEC setup to off.

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Have not tried all the premutations of overlapping recordings eg.  FTA recording and then during that recording, a ZAP+record  is made. Will update when I've done the tests.

Did not try.  enigma2-plugin-systemplugins-slowzap_2.1_all.ipk  couldn't find in the list of plugins or how install after downloading to an USB key. 

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Many Thanks to Dimitri, Mimisiku and Frenske.    Franske I fully agree any CI module is a pain.

[Frenske]

As mentioned before the functionality of any CI module is pretty limited. In most cases watching one channel and recording a second already is hard if not impossible to do. This can only be solved by the providers AFAIK but I doubt if they ever will expand the possibilities of their modules. I could be wrong as my knowledge of modules in general is as limited as their possibilities. I can only write concerning my own experiences with the modules I own.

 

Perhaps that other members are able to inform you more regarding your provider.

[bheasman]

Frenske, I would have thought it was in the interest of satellite companies to make this easier, since today most of the channels TF1 , La Une , Een , VTM etc provide access via the internet for free. Also they do offer replay of most of the programmes. With the right Smart TV you just need to download their application.  If not buy a TV box for 80 Euro's. Interestingly, TF1 offers UHD via internet but not via satellite. Is this the beginning of the end for satellite.

The reason I continue with satellite is I have a Motorhome and mobile internet is expensive, unless you buy a pay as you go in that country.  (Italy 100Gb for 25€ but you have to go to the shop)

[Frenske]

I’m convinced that manufacturers really don’t care whether CI, with or without + work with more freedom. The providers decline the use of ‘open’ receivers so they don’t care either. Whether this is the beginning of the end for satellite viewers with a subscription with a CI module? It might be. Will this take long? I wouldn’t know. Fact is, if the use of a CI module is common, then the fun is over.

[bheasman]

Update.    Unfortunately the problem still exists.   Yesterday I had to restart the receiver because if would not display any services on CAM 1 (Tv Vlaanderen).  The CI+ card changed from red to green when selecting CAM1 service but no services would be displayed. The receiver when opened from standby,  is often using CAM 2 (French) or FTA.  It was several days previously that CAM 1 had been used.

 

I can't scientifically support this but I feel there is a hardware problem with CAM 1.  Prior to installing OPenPli the unit was delivered with VU software. I had lots of problems with making any single CI card work. The top slot CAM 2 seemed to work better.  Also plugging or unplugging CAM 1 recovers the problem with that card.

 

I see there are further development releases. Is there a link that explains what the new releases are fixing or improving.

[WanWizard]

VU+ and CI modules aren't a happy combination. Some work, some have problems. The M7 Viaccess module (the one without the smartcard) fails here regularly, which means I have to pull it out and put it in again...

 

So it's a known issue, but it depends on which CI module it is, the software in the M7 module isn't all that either. And as VU+ doesn't have an M7 module, I guess fixing it in the drivers is difficult.

[mimisiku]

As said earlier... It won't work reliably as explained. If you really want to: try to find a VU+Duo4K or buy a DM920... Anything else will not work (at the moment at least)...

[betacentauri]

e2 decides which ci slot is used for which tuner. If both cards use same CAID and you assign a CAM to a service, why shouldn't it work? Why is special hardware needed?

[bheasman]

mimisiku, thanks  If I buy this receiver https://www.cardwrit...dm-920-uhd.html  would it work reliably.   This is the UHD model. Don't want to fall into the same problem as with the VU which is I bought the DUO 4k  SE instead of the DUO 4K.

 

See comments by WanWizard which says the M7 s/w is bad.   Don't want to make another mistake, I'll be in big trouble with the family.

[betacentauri]

By the way you cannot use OpenPLi on that dreambox.

[WanWizard]

See comments by WanWizard which says the M7 s/w is bad.   Don't want to make another mistake, I'll be in big trouble with the family.

 

As I understand it, the Viaccess module works fine in an Ultimo 4K, but in my Duo 4K it loses sync all the time, and I have to pull it out and put it back in. It works fine in a few other boxes I tried too.