Posted 6 February 2021 - 11:00
WanWizard, I was thinking overnight about your comments. The CI+ modules are different, they integrate the smart card so the software mst be different.
I do have Nagravison CI modules and cards for TV Vlaanderen and Telesat. The downside of using this module/card combination is the UHD channels use Viacces enconding, CI+ module.
Will update results in few days the results.
Posted 6 February 2021 - 11:31
Posted 6 February 2021 - 15:16
I was talking explicitly about the Viaccess module, the M7-CAM701, which has issues in the VU+ Duo 4K.
Currently in use: VU+ Duo 4K (2xFBC S2), VU+ Solo 4K (1xFBC S2), uClan Usytm 4K Ultimate (S2+T2), Octagon SF8008 (S2+T2), Zgemma H9.2H (S2+T2)
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Posted 7 February 2021 - 11:03
I have 3 CI modules. In order from the top. Attached picture.
1. Ci module licenced by Mediaguard. Requires separate card.
2. CI module licenced by Nagravison. Requires same separate card.
3. CI+ module licenced by Viaccess. No additional card required.
They were marketed/sold as #1 the original and for SD. #2 was required for HD. #3 required for UHD.
#1 did work for HD but not in some receivers. I have a Technisat 22" HD TV and #1 works fine with HD services but with the Motorhome receiver the pictures break up.
Until August last year Telesat and TV Vlaanderen encoded their SD and HD services with all 3 encoding options.
Around August Telesat removed the Mediaguard option from RTL TVi HD and La Trois. The 2 others options remained on these services.
The receiver I was using was an Xtrend ET9X00 and the software CI slot in the machine. The software CI slot used Mediaguard, so these 2 services stopped working.
The advantage of the software version was that multiple channels could be decoded from a single card. Complained to Telesat and they sent me a CI+ card. This fixed these 2 services but it only allowed 1 service per card.
Noticing that the new UHD channels were being encoded only with Viaccess, decided it was time to upgrade the receiver. Old receiver was HD only and we have a 4k TV.
The VU+ 4KSE was marketed as being able to simultaneously decode 2 CI cards. So bought a TV Vlaanderen CI+ card and the VU+ 4KSE.
Tried using two #2 modules, one with access to TV Vlaanderen and other with >Telesat access. Problem still exists.
Coming to the conclusion that the problem is possibly with the lower CI slot. CAM1. CAM 2 (Telesat) always seems to work.
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Will swap the cards around and reprogram the services for each card.
Posted 7 February 2021 - 11:36
Posted 16 February 2021 - 11:20
Update. After trying two Nagravison cards, and finding that the problem was not solved, I planned to determine if the lower slot was the cause of the problem (See my post 7th February).
So Hot swapped the Nagravison module/cards for the CI+ cards in the same original position, TV Vlaanderen Cam 1 and Telesat Cam 2. As original problem.
The plan being to swap them around and re program the CI assignments. However the family said leave it do it later. 
Ever since doing the hot swap (7th February) , everything is working.
Another clue, maybe totally unrelated but ?? In stealing the Nagravision CI module/card from the Technisat TV, I replaced it with the CI+ for TV Vlaanderen in the Technisat TV for the first time.
The Technisat on powering up said please wait, registering module/card on network. This CI+ module or slot always the causing the problem.
The CI+ card for Telesat I was using in the VU+ had been used in the Technisat TV for a while.
nb This Technisat TV works with all 3 modules and particularly version #1 with HD channels which none of my other receivers will do.
Posted 16 February 2021 - 13:12
Tour Problem is solved! Only use the TeleSAT CI+ in tour CI slot. Use the separate cards in the integrated cardslots with OScam softcam. If only one slot exists, buy a USB Cardreader... Will work liké a charmé...
mimisiku, I was planning to try your solution but as you will see in my latest post it appears everything is now working.
Posted 18 November 2021 - 18:05
The problem lies with the modules Being exactly the same. Both 0500 as CAID. The hardware/software simply can't differentiate. Only the Duo4K and DM9*0 can.
Hello mimisiku,
Sorry to revive this 9 month old discussion, but I wanted to know more about this reply from you.
My cable provider encrypts all channels (except 1), and the use of a CI+ module is mandatory.
I had a VU+ Duo2 (not 4K), and I tried to use it with 2 identical CI+ modules, but I had a black screen instead of the picture after inserting the second CI+ module. I saw the information that the Duo 4K (not SE) was able to do manage it, so I bought a used one. I was hoping to make the Picture-in-picture work with 2 encrypted channels.
The farthest I went, I managed to have 2 channels displayed together in PIP, but only when they are on the same transponder, which is too restrictive for me.
I tried with every advice found in this thread/forum and others as well (CI assignement plugin or not, multiple services, ...). I even tried duplicating the list of channels into 2 ranges : 1-100 and 101-200 (by editing the file userbouquet.favourites.tv), and assigning all 0xx channels to card 1, and assigning all 1xx channels to card 2, but that did not solve the problem. Note that I have only 1 DVB-C tuner with 8 channels (FBC).
It is disappointing, because on my "big brand" recorder (Panasonic DMR-BCT76), the dual CI+ module works in a very stable way, just Plug and Play, similar to my Duo with 1 CI+ (although it implements very strictly all the DRM restrictions).
I forgot to say that I use VTi 15. I considered switching to OpenPLI 8.1, which also provides CI+ decryption, I found the 3 required .PEM files, but not the "param" file, so I gave up this possibility. I will probably be able to use it when this functionality will be more broadly used.
I have a question for you : what specifically is different between the Duo 4K and the Duo 4K SE (except the CPU) ? is it the card reader hardware ? or the kernel drivers ?
Thanks in advance,
Best regards,
metatech
Posted 26 November 2021 - 21:41
The Duo4K runs on a higher kernel, has a faster CPU and offers separate CI addressing. The Duo4Kse uses a slower CPU and lower kernel and can’t address the CI slots separately….
Furthermore the limiting factor is the Enigma2 code which simply can’t handle two identical CAID’s. Enigma2 simply doesn’t know which module to choose if BOTH have the same CAID…
Perhaps there is an option to use a softcam? Which cable provider? Which encryption system?
Posted 26 November 2021 - 23:30
I have a VU+ Duo 4K, the original one, not the SE one, but I never got it to work with 2 identical CI+ modules.
As soon as the second one was inserted, the system crashed.
And I mean identical CI+'s, in my case Telenet CI+.
One works fine, but as soon as a second one is inserted, the system crashes.
TV Vlaanderen and Télésat may use the same CaID, but they are still different modules.
On VTI I get 1 CI+ module working fine, also with offline decoding.
On OpenPLi I cannot get offline decoding to work, but I can get the module to decode immediately.
I have put my question about offline decoding in a Dutch speaking topic, but noone seems to have a solution.
Edited by zzzzzz, 26 November 2021 - 23:39.
VU+ Duo 4K : 1 x DVB-C FBC tuner (8 virtual tuners) + 1xDVB-S2X FBC tuner, CI+ module for cable
Posted 26 November 2021 - 23:50
I find it strange that Mimisiku keeps saying that it works on exactly the machine I have, and which I did several tests on, and which never worked.
The system would lock up or use only one of the 2 modules, but it would never use both.
I suppose you can use 2 CI+ modules simultaneously, but then they have to be different CAids.
You might say that the limitation is in enigma2, but unless someone writes their own enigma, it will not work, if it really is a software issue.
Edited by zzzzzz, 26 November 2021 - 23:51.
VU+ Duo 4K : 1 x DVB-C FBC tuner (8 virtual tuners) + 1xDVB-S2X FBC tuner, CI+ module for cable
Posted 27 November 2021 - 01:35
Here we go again…..
It works but only if the CAID’s are different. Ziggo CI+ and Nagra CI+ for example… Channels added with Common Interface Assignment.. Canal Digitaal Viaccess and Canal Digitaal Nagra CI+…. Using 2 idential CI+ modules to circumvene 1stream limitation does not work in Enigma2 despite having the correct box…
Posted 27 November 2021 - 10:41
Here we go again…..
It works but only if the CAID’s are different. Ziggo CI+ and Nagra CI+ for example… Channels added with Common Interface Assignment.. Canal Digitaal Viaccess and Canal Digitaal Nagra CI+…. Using 2 idential CI+ modules to circumvene 1stream limitation does not work in Enigma2 despite having the correct box…
Good that you admit that also the original VU+ Duo 4K cannot do this.
Whether the limitation is in enigma2 or in the hardware does not make a difference for the user.
This quote of yours gives the impression that it shouldn't be an issue :
The problem lies with the modules Being exactly the same. Both 0500 as CAID. The hardware/software simply can't differentiate. Only the Duo4K and DM9*0 can.
It does not make a difference whether you have a Duo4K or a Duo4K SE for that matter, as the software does not distinguish it.
The DM920 is able to differentiate AND according to their forums (I cannot check this myself, as I don't have that receiver) is able to differentiate.
The DM900 only has one CI slot, so there it is irrelevant.
Also, the problem goes deeper than simply the CAID, because I use the Common Interface Assignments plugin, and I assign per individual service, not per CAID. If the issue were really limited to the CAID, I could put half of the channels on one module, and half of the channels on the other.
Of course that would not guarantee me that I could always have 2 simultaneous records, but it would increase the chance.
But like I said, the box most of the times locks up the moment I put the second, identical CI+ in there, so you can't even get to the next step.
Edited by zzzzzz, 27 November 2021 - 10:48.
VU+ Duo 4K : 1 x DVB-C FBC tuner (8 virtual tuners) + 1xDVB-S2X FBC tuner, CI+ module for cable
Posted 28 November 2021 - 09:57
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