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[kwax]

Hi all,

 

I have a VU+ DUO 4kSE configuration with 4 sat positions and two Inverto Unicable II IDLU-UWT110-CUO1O-32P 5/32 Multiswitches and four wideband LNBs. Moreover, I have a DVB-T2 tuner module in the DUO4kSE connected to a terrestrial antenna.

 

The DUO4kSE can access all sat positions and finds all services correctly. On a single sat it can record a large number of services simultaneously.

 

But recording even a single service on one sat position (or just picture in picture) makes all other sats unavailable (no free tuner). Recording simultaneously with the DVB-T2 tuner works fine btw.

 

I tried several different tuner configurations, made a fresh image install etc. But nothing has made parallel recording on more than one sat position possible.

 

I attached screenshots of my tuner configuration.

 

Thanks in advance for any help!

 

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[littlesat]

You have to connect them all to tuner a. Likely on b nothing is connected. It is not a loop through it is connected to a or b, which are physical connectors.

Edited by littlesat, 16 June 2023 - 20:09.

[WanWizard]

Correct,

 

The cable is only connected to one input, and all tuners need to be configured for all sats, using a unique user band.

 

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I can't show you my VU+ config, as recordings are running. But on a tuner of another box, I have these 4 sats on UB 4:

 

 

 

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[kwax]

Thanks for your superfast responses guys!!!

 

So I connected all tuners to tuner A. All tuners have their own user band of course and every tuner has all sat positions configured (all as before).

 

Restarted the box, but no difference. Do I have to make a new full install, factory reset or something similar?

Edited by kwax, 16 June 2023 - 20:46.

[WanWizard]

LNB number and position correct (and the same) for every sat position? And the same position as connected to the switch?

 

You said that tuner A works on all positions. all other tuners need exactly the same config, except for the user band.

 

No need for a reboot of anything else, a tuner config works directly when saved.

[kwax]

Hmm, totally weird. After I save a modification of the tuner config I can only record in parallel/PIP on a single transponder (not even one whole sat position).

 

After a restart of enigma it's back to only all transponders on one sat position.

 

And no parallel recording on different sats.

Edited by kwax, 16 June 2023 - 22:08.

[Abu Baniaz]

It is unclear/unspecified from your description whether you are using a combiner, i.e both switches are coming down one wire to tuner A. Or whether you have two wires, i.e one switch to Tuner A (top connection)  and another switch to Tuner B (bottom connection). Draw a diagram if you think it will help.

 

Also, comparing with WanWizard's screenshots, you have used 1 LNB number for all the satellites, he has has 4 LNB numbers. Maybe that is the issue?

[kwax]

Yes, I have a combiner for the two Inverto multiswitches so that everything (except terrestrial) is coming down to tuner A.

 

LNB1 / Position 1: 0.8W

LNB2 / Position 2: 13E

LNB3 / Position 3: 19E

LNB4 / Position 4: 28E

[Abu Baniaz]

Sorry to ask, are the switches programmed correctly?

[zeros]

I think Multiswitches are guilty here - if you make records, it will occupy them immediately and other satellites are no longer accessible?

[kwax]

I think Multiswitches are guilty here - if you make records, it will occupy them immediately and other satellites are no longer accessible?

 

Sorry to ask, are the switches programmed correctly?

 

Good question! They were programmed by HM-Sat when I bought the sat-package from them. I talked to them and they say it will work perfectly with the VTI image and it must be the OpenPli images fault.

 

One multiswitch is connected to pos 1 and 2 Wide Band LNBs and the other one to pos 3 and 4 wide band LNBs. And then combined to one cable to tuner A.

 

If the DUO4kSE can access all sats and services through the two Inverto multiswitches how can it be a problem of the multiswitches? The services have NOT zero signal but are greyed out and give no free tuner messages. That means the problem should be in the receiver config/image or shouldn't it?

Edited by kwax, 17 June 2023 - 10:04.

[zeros]

Have you tried to play with tuner priorities? Another thing that someone could confirm that this thing is working and is not missing in software. This is a rather rare combination and there are few, could Erik be confirmed? I have only read about it and I have only one such FBC LNB an zero Multiswitches here.

[littlesat]

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Edited by littlesat, 17 June 2023 - 10:41.

[neo]

You write in your opening post that tuner A works fine on all sats, correct?

 

Disable all other tuners, verify that A still works on all sats, then change the UB on tuner A for all 4 sats from 1 to 2, does it then still work? If so, cycle through all 32 bands and test. This should all still work if the configuration of the switches is ok.

 

I have an Inverto unicable switches here too, and use a combiner, which works fine with OpenPLi.

Edited by neo, 17 June 2023 - 12:19.

[kwax]

You write in your opening post that tuner A works fine on all sats, correct?

 

Disable all other tuners, verify that A still works on all sats, then change the UB on tuner A for all 4 sats from 1 to 2, does it then still work? If so, cycle through all 32 bands and test. This should all still work if the configuration of the switches is ok.

 

I have an Inverto unicable switches here too, and use a combiner, which works fine with OpenPLi.

 

Ok, thanks, will test! Will have access to the setup again in a couple of days....

[Dimitrij]

Maybe...

 

tuner A

LNB1 / Position 1: 0.8W / User band 1

LNB2 / Position 2: 13E / User band 1

LNB3 / Position 3: 19E / User band 1

LNB4 / Position 4: 28E / User band 1

 

tuner B

LNB1 / Position 1: 0.8W / User band 2

LNB2 / Position 2: 13E / User band 2

LNB3 / Position 3: 19E / User band 2

LNB4 / Position 4: 28E / User band 2

connected tuner A

 

tuner C

LNB1 / Position 1: 0.8W / User band 3

LNB2 / Position 2: 13E / User band 3

LNB3 / Position 3: 19E / User band 3

LNB4 / Position 4: 28E / User band 3

connected tuner A

 

[WanWizard]

That is how it should be, yes.

[Dimitrij]

 

Yes, I have a combiner for the two Inverto multiswitches so that everything (except terrestrial) is coming down to tuner A.

 

But recording even a single service on one sat position (or just picture in picture) makes all other sats unavailable (no free tuner).

One cable --> One satellite at a time

 

Or something I don't know...

And when using Inverto Unicable II IDLU-UWT110-CUO1O-32P 5/32, can you simultaneously receive data from different LNBs?

Edited by Dimitrij, 20 June 2023 - 05:46.

[Dimitrij]

So, it seems that I understood something.

This Unicable II IDLU-UWT110-CUO1O-32P 5/32 allows you to use 2 wideband LNBs with different satellites at the same time.

Then it's my mistake.

Needs to be sec.cpp fixed:

                if (ret && linked_in_use)
                {
                    // compare tuner data
                    bool no_compare_satpos = linked_sat_pos == -1 || (linked_sat_pos != sat.orbital_position);

-                    if (((linked_unicable != 1 || is_unicable) && no_compare_satpos) ||
+                    if ((diseqc && (linked_unicable != 1 || is_unicable) && no_compare_satpos) ||
                        (!is_unicable && ((csw != linked_csw) || (diseqc && (ucsw != linked_ucsw || toneburst != linked_toneburst)) ||
                        (rotor && ((linked_satpos_depends == -1 && rotor_pos != sat.orbital_position) || (!direct_connected && linked_satpos_depends != -1 && no_compare_satpos))))))
                    
                    {
                        ret = 0;
                        satcount = old_satcount;
                    }
                    elseebugNoSimulate("[eDVBSatelliteEquipmentControl] ret2 %d", ret);
				}

Edited by Dimitrij, 20 June 2023 - 10:29.

[kwax]

Maybe...

 

tuner A

LNB1 / Position 1: 0.8W / User band 1

LNB2 / Position 2: 13E / User band 1

LNB3 / Position 3: 19E / User band 1

LNB4 / Position 4: 28E / User band 1

 

tuner B

LNB1 / Position 1: 0.8W / User band 2

LNB2 / Position 2: 13E / User band 2

LNB3 / Position 3: 19E / User band 2

LNB4 / Position 4: 28E / User band 2

connected tuner A

 

tuner C

LNB1 / Position 1: 0.8W / User band 3

LNB2 / Position 2: 13E / User band 3

LNB3 / Position 3: 19E / User band 3

LNB4 / Position 4: 28E / User band 3

connected tuner A

 

 

Yes, that is exactly my latest configuration (plus all the rest of the virtual tuners with increasing UBs). But no parallel recording from different sat positions possible.

 

Now I am back after HOURS of testing different configurations.

 

As suggested by neo, I disabled everything (including terrestrial, you never know ) except tuner A and checked different UBs. All sat positions worked fine. Then I connected the cable to tuner B and disabled all other tuners. Tuner B works fine as well with different UBs and all sats.

 

Then tried to enable and disable all sorts of tuners back and forth. Suddenly it WAS possible to record from different sat positions simultaneously! BUT after a restart of enigma it was back to only one position again! What a mess.

 

BTW: restarting enigma can make a big difference for the tuner abilities. Often I could only record in parallel form one transponder (not even a sat pos.) after I made a change to the tuner configuration. After a restart of enigma it was back to every transponder on on sat.

 

Playing around with priorities did not make a difference and I changed the cable back to tuner A.

 

So I thought what about the Preferred Tuner configuration in System>Customize. I changed Preferred tuner DVB-S to A. No difference.

 

Then I changed Preferred tuner DVB-S to tuner B, AND BANG!!!! Recording from all sats with all tuners works perfectly!!! Even after restarting Enigma fortunately

 

What a mess all this must be internally? While I was testing I realized that restarting Enigma automatically disables terrestrial tuner J (no big deal for me fortunately) so that only tuner I works after a restart... what the hell is going on there?

 

Anyway glad that parallel recording (including PIP from a different sat) now works.