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[willy01]

Wenn man einen Stick zur Ergänzung der Multiboot images verwendet, werden die Images doppelt angezeigt.

 

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Edited by willy01, 17 November 2023 - 10:55.

[WanWizard]

Stick mounted twice? Or has a symlink in /media ?

[littlesat]

It is not double... there are two option.. One with backup from the settings and installed plugins and the other does not made a backup before it is flashed. The idea was to reduce the number of popups with selections to go through the procedure. And those that are likely more common to use are on the top.... A separate popup with question could be made but at the time it was made one of the requirements I did define at that time is show as less popups as possible and that was why it is some kind of combined here as now once you select the image you only get a question once and then it is flashed....

Edited by littlesat, 17 November 2023 - 13:20.

[rantanplan]

Hallo @willy01

Das wird etwas kompliziert, denn dein vorrangiges Image ist ein ATV.
Sprich dein Multiboot kexec kommt ja vom ATV und nicht vom pli.

@captain vom ATV müsste da gefragt werden.
Das Bild alleine hilft leider nicht so richtig, denn man müsste wie so oft das log sehen, was da falsch läuft.

Eigentlich wurde diese Funktion sogar zusammen mit OE-Alliance hier implementiert, aber zwischendurch gab es immer wieder ein paar Ungereimtheiten.

Edited by rantanplan, 17 November 2023 - 13:21.

[Tech]

It is not double... there are two option.. One with backup from the settings and installed plugins and the other does not made a backup before it is flashed. The idea was to reduce the number of popups with selections to go through the procedure. And those that are likely more common to use are on the top.... A separate popup with question could be made but at the time it was made one of the requirements I did define at that time is show as less popups as possible and that was why it is some kind of combined here as now once you select the image you only get a question once and then it is flashed....

So your box has seven ! (7) slots?

[WanWizard]

It is not double... there are two option.. One with backup from the settings and installed plugins and the other does not made a backup before it is flashed. The idea was to reduce the number of popups with selections to go through the procedure. And those that are likely more common to use are on the top.... A separate popup with question could be made but at the time it was made one of the requirements I did define at that time is show as less popups as possible and that was why it is some kind of combined here as now once you select the image you only get a question once and then it is flashed....

 

Sorry, was a bit too quick.

 

So your box has seven ! (7) slots?

 

7 slots is very possible, the kexec implementation supports multiboot slots on other media than only internal flash.

Edited by WanWizard, 17 November 2023 - 14:01.

[littlesat]

It was always possible to do this... by design... I thought OpenATV also made a User Interface for it... we didn't. I think having 3 or 4 slots should be more than sufficient. So why create additional stuff on USB, Flashcard etc....But unless this it would be much nicer to create a plugin for it instead of embeded in the code somewhere... like a multiboot slot extender plugin, where you can 'prepare' those slots (in a proper way).

7 slots is very possible, the kexec implementation supports multiboot slots on other media than only internal flash.

[WanWizard]

The short answer to this post is:

 

No, there is nothing double, the first set is flashing with a backup, the second set is flashing without a backup.

 

And there are more than 4 because the implementation supports extra slots on an external device.

 

It was always possible to do this... by design... I thought OpenATV also made a User Interface for it... we didn't. I think having 3 or 4 slots should be more than sufficient. So why create additional stuff on USB, Flashcard etc....But unless this it would be much nicer to create a plugin for it instead of embeded in the code somewhere... like a multiboot slot extender plugin, where you can 'prepare' those slots (in a proper way).

 

Maybe not, but

• the slots might have been created by another image (which I assume is the case here), so they are shown.
• it is not up to us to dicate what a user may or may not need
• you need to acknowledge the fact that OE-A images support this because VU+ only has 4GB flash, and OE-A images are absolutely humongous, unlike OpenPLi images, so they need the extra space.

[rantanplan]

As I tried to explain, it's not that simple.
The preceding image of the Kexec version is the OpenATV.

Pli or any other image is interpreted based on the actually common Kexec structure.
But something has changed here again.

The user would have to check whether this behavior also occurs under his primary Kexec image of the OpenATV.

This is one of those many things that were already discussed internally as a problem, but somehow weren't really taken seriously.

Nothing is broken because of the above representation, but it is confusing.

[littlesat]

Sorry now I'm really confused.... does OpenATV deviates here....? Usually you have these 'boot slot' files that define the slots you can have....

Edited by littlesat, 17 November 2023 - 14:52.

[willy01]

here openATV screenshot, and yes with USB Stick 

 

root image is openATV

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Edited by willy01, 17 November 2023 - 15:13.

[littlesat]

Exactly the same... except for they allow to flash in the root slot.... (something that is not recommended and when done you need to find a way to backup images etc... to do this good...)

[willy01]

Slot 7 is "root image", in PLI "leerer slot" 

[rantanplan]

Puh...

Es war klar, mir war es klar, aber hey....


@willy01
Ich kann die Verwirrung verstehen, aber es ist nichts kaputt, oder falsch...
Es ist einfach ein unterschiedlich "Handling" des Kexec und das führt eben zu dem Bild.

Die Empfehlung meinerseits um die Verwirrung zu verhindern (da die Teams alle leider ein wenig etwas separat ändern),
wenn du ein weiteres Image flasht, dann mache es immer aus dem primären Kexec Image heraus.

Mehr kann ich wohl nicht dazu beitragen.

Grüße

[willy01]

Ja, ist eigentlich auch Wurscht.

[rantanplan]

@willy01

Nein, ich bin sogar dankbar das du es dargestellt hast.
Das ist eines von mehreren Dingen die zu Verwirrung führen.

Wäre schon geschickter bzgl Kexec Multiboot eine Dokumentation mit gereicht zu bekommen.
Auch ein paar Hinweise der Nutzung.

Aber für so etwas nimmt sich leider niemand mehr die Zeit.

Grüße

[Huevos]

Exactly the same... except for they allow to flash in the root slot.... (something that is not recommended and when done you need to find a way to backup images etc... to do this good...)

We allow flash root slot too and other slots survive the process.

[WanWizard]

Because there is code that copies all other slots from flash to elsewhere, and moves it back after the boot of the root slot after flash.

 

Prone to error, and reliant on the availability and stability of enough external storage. Not end-user material, which are 99% of OpenPLi's users.

[rantanplan]

@willyß1

eventuell kannst du hier helfen das man diesen eher optischen Fehler abfängt.
Also via debuglog den Vorgang oben (also Imageflash-Auswahl vom pli ausgehend) nochmal ausführst.

Das debuglog was zu obigen Bild führt dann hier als zip einfügen/anhängen.

Vielleicht kann man es abfangen.
 

 

Grüße

[Huevos]

Because there is code that copies all other slots from flash to elsewhere, and moves it back after the boot of the root slot after flash.

 

Prone to error, and reliant on the availability and stability of enough external storage. Not end-user material, which are 99% of OpenPLi's users.

It is possible but anyway the root image is not used in our case. It is a minimal image.