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GThomas

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#982697 Zgemma box, is it worth to buy?

Posted by GThomas on 16 December 2018 - 09:24

And in my end:

(Still before proper setup, estimated for middle of January):

Zgemma H7S, OpenPli 6.2.
Connected only 1 satellite feed
And 1 terrestrial feed.

Starting stream or direct (hdmi) of satellite channel goes smoothly.

But when starting IP stream or direct (hdmi) off terrestrial, first 5-10 seconds is "broken".
Stops and shatters. I could even say it looks like its trying to buffer.
But why only on terrestrial? I don't know.

I will see will it improve when setup is finished.

Just as a note:
Planned:

Oscam for N card
2x 2 port DiSEqC switch
2x twin LNB (13.0E+19.2E, on one dish)


#982521 Still can't grasp the FBC and Unicable setup possibilities

Posted by GThomas on 15 December 2018 - 20:16

Confirmation:

Simultaneous playback:

TV (HDMI connected) plays BBC1 HD (28.2E)
Laptop (vlc) RAI UNO HD (13.0E)
phone (dream player) ZDF HD (19.2E)

I've got no more devices on me.

But there's not a single glitch.


#981349 Still can't grasp the FBC and Unicable setup possibilities

Posted by GThomas on 13 December 2018 - 21:40

I said it couldn't work if you use the positions like you described (1,2/1,2/1,2). If you program the second and third switch to have the proper (extra) positions, it can work. But please note that a switch does not have knowledge of positions like "23.5E" and "28.2E". It knows of position #1, #2 etc. This can only work if your switch can be convinced (programmed) to not use position #1 and #2, but #3 and #4 instead (even though they're the switch'es first and second LNB). Not many switches can do this.
 


And that's the thing!

These invertos can do exactly that.

Even if one unit can serve only 2 positions at once, there's still capability to combine 2 units to cooperate.

Set first unit for position 1&2 (even though inverto calls them A&B), second unit for position 3&4(C&D respectively).

This makes a " set".

This is exactly thexway I got it done for that job of mine.

Now take 3 sets like that.. Disable some userbands (yes, I'll do my best to stick to correct naming, and yes, I got SCR name from enigma itself), and voila!

Ah.. This also calls for a little change in unicable.XML

Under
Provider = Inverto
Model = IDLU-CUO10-32PP
positions = 2
This "2" needs to be changed for "4"


#980241 Still can't grasp the FBC and Unicable setup possibilities

Posted by GThomas on 12 December 2018 - 10:39

So, pretty much standard setup for 4 satellites.

BTW: sorry for splitting this into few posts, I noticed that if I try to edit post the whole "code" section goes to pieces.

Make 3 sets like that, each for different 4 positions.

Actually- instead of using 2>1 combiners for each set of 2 multi switches and then another combiner to tie them all together, you could use just one 8>1 combiner (splitter) provided that it will have bidirectional DC pass on ALL ports.


When you have all that ready- that is 3 sets of 4 positions each, its matter of enabling/disabling SCRs on multi switches (again- assumed that it is possible)

So...
SCR                    1        2         3        4    ....  
Set1(both switches)  enabled  disabled  disabled enabled   ....
Set2(both switches) disabled  enabled   disabled disabled   ....
Set3(both switches) disabled disabled   enabled  disabled  ....

In theory.. Should work.

I can't imagine you going for such expense, though

Yet- as a mental exercise- I kind of enjoyed it :)


#980229 Still can't grasp the FBC and Unicable setup possibilities

Posted by GThomas on 12 December 2018 - 10:21

Then..


WidebandLNB4_Hout---------------------------------------------------
WidebandLNB4_Vout---------------------------------------------      |
                                                              |     |
WidebandLNB3_Hout---------------------------------------      |     |
WidebandLNB3_Vout---------------------------------      |     |     |
                                                  |     |     |     |  
                                                  |     |     |     |
WidebandLNB2_Hout----------------------           |     |     |     |
WidebandLNB2_Vout----------------      |          |     |     |     |
                                 |     |          |     |     |     |
                                 |     |          |     |     |     |
WidebandLNB1_Hout----------      |     |          |     |     |     |
WidebandLNB1_Vout----      |     |     |          |     |     |     |   
                     |     |     |     |          |     |     |     |
                    Vin   Hin   Vin   Hin        Vin   Hin   Vin   Hin
                   Position A  Position B       Position C   Position D
                   Inverto multi switch #1      Inverto multi switch #2
                          JESSout                       JESSout
                            |                             |
                             ----------combiner-----------
                                          |
                                       Output from 
                                       first 4 
                                       positions





#980221 Still can't grasp the FBC and Unicable setup possibilities

Posted by GThomas on 12 December 2018 - 09:48

I'm quite sure there is a JESS setup that would work for you.
(That's to say I do have a "sketch" of idea in my head)

But with 12 positions it looks somewhat.. expensive.

And based on few assumptions.

Main one:

Ability to set each tuner, FBC (A,B,C and so on) and any other connected to system (JESS capable, of course) in roughly this way:

(Mind, I'm trying to make a frame as WanWizard has done for me above. I hope I can do it, if not- please don't hold it against me. I'm doing it on my phone)

Tuner A(and all the rest similar anyway)

Satellite (examples): 3.2E  5.0E  7.0E  9.0E  10.0E  13.0E  16.0E  19.2E  20.0E  25.1E  28.2E  31.5E
LNB                   LNB1  LNB2  LNB3  LNB4  LNB5   LNB6    LNB7   LNB8   LNB9  LNB10  LNB11  LNB12
TYPE:  unicable/JESS (all of them)Make and model: inverto IDLU-UWT110-CUO10-32PP (all of them)
Scr channel:           1     1     1     1     2      2       2      2      3      3      3     3
Position:              1     2     3     4     1      2       3      4      1      2      3     4

This would in theory give you any sat position (out of 12) on any of your receivers, and with no changes to cabling. Just use existing.

In theory.

But you'd need whole 6 of these inverto switches and 12 wideband LNBs..


#980133 Still can't grasp the FBC and Unicable setup possibilities

Posted by GThomas on 11 December 2018 - 23:50

on top of that, if you set it this way, you can use input of tuner B as loop trough output, for example to another fbc tuner (of course with SCR values set not to clash with first one, for example SCR9,10,11,...15,16)

this way you dont have to use splitter that would to exactly same job.

 

 

 

trying:

 

conventional(splitter)

cable-------------------------splitter-----------------------splitter----------------------
                                 |                               |
                              unicable                        unicable
                                tuner                           tuner

B looped trough to A:

cable---------------------------                     -----------------------------------                     -----------------------------
                               |                    |                                  |                     |
                              input           input(output)                          input              input(output)
                              tuner               tuner                              tuner                  tuner
                                A                   B                                  A                      B
                                     FBC cluster 1                                           FBC cluster 2
                                 (ie: first receiver)                                    (ie: second receiver)
                                 B looped trough to A                                     B looped trough to A
used SCRs:                          1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8                                      9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16



#980105 Still can't grasp the FBC and Unicable setup possibilities

Posted by GThomas on 11 December 2018 - 23:16

So, if I'm understanding it correctly, if I have (only) one Unicable LNB connected to only one input (A), I set B loop through to A and leave the rest to automatic?

No.

 

If you use legacy LNB, THEN you set them on automatic

 

If you use unicable LNB, then you set:

 

tuner A (give it SCR1)

Tuner B- give it SCR2, loop trough(aka "connected to") to tuner A

Tuner C- give it SCR3, loop trough to tuner A

Tuner D- give it SCR4, loop trough to tuner A

and so on for all of them




#958147 Zgemma box, is it worth to buy?

Posted by GThomas on 1 November 2018 - 14:19

I honestly don't mind if its ugly.
As soon as the full set is properly up and doing its job, the glass table says "buh- bye" and all that crap gets hidden away.

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