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Re: Enigma2 and BBC/ITV at 27.5W Intelsat - a big challenge #401 pecorazza

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Posted 27 February 2014 - 14:30

Are you saying that the channels at 27.5W carry subtitles?

That is good news. I didn't realize that.

Can you or somebody else who successfully managed to get the subtitles describe the process in detail?

Thank you.

 

By the way, pecorazza, are you using SHORT or LONG mode? What box?

Hi Robinson.

 

I am using gb800se which as we know is not supported by Pli. For the moment I am using a sifteam e2 image from april 2013.

I am using v4 script with long mode as short mode din't work. I have no audio on HD channels but I expected it

 

And yes, I think all channels are carrying subtitles. I remember from last year, about june when PMT was still unencrypted, I had DVB subtitles (no TEXT ones) on all channels.

By the way, I managed to find subtitle pids in this way: I noticed that for each channel, subtitle pids finishes by number 5 (in decimal) and the first two or three digits, always in decimal are the same of the channel's audio and video pids.

 

Initially I had subtitles only in Cbeebies, which had no pids on my lamedb, but I knew that they are the same for BBC Four. So I checked my box and I saw that subtitles on BBC Four were "marked" as "195". This means that Decimal Pid of BBC Four/ Cbeebies is 405. As you can see, where video and audio pid are respectively 401 and 402 (you can check it here - http://www.flysat.com/is907.php -), subtitle pid is 405.

 

I did the same for BBC Two: Vpid - 201 / Apid - 202 --> SUBTITLE_PID = 205 which means "cd" in hexadecimal -- and so on for all channels. If you check my list you can see that I did this for all channels. Subtitle pid is in this form: "c:09XXX0101" where XXX is the subtitle_pid found with the method I described.

 

On the other hand, the strange thing is that subtiles effectively work only if the pid string on lamedb is empty: only p:BBC and no pids on it. So I just cancelled the pids from BBC Four, BBC Two and BBC One NI and after reboot these channels firstly didn't clear. After making some zapping on the other channels (Cbeebies, BBC One etc) the three channels cleared and they now had subtitles. I think that I can manage to do the same on BBC Three but haven't tried yet.

 

Sure this is a workaround as I have no idea why this happens, but I think that it can be a start.

 

If you try can you please let me know if this works for you to?


Edited by pecorazza, 27 February 2014 - 14:32.


Re: Enigma2 and BBC/ITV at 27.5W Intelsat - a big challenge #402 gorski

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Posted 27 February 2014 - 14:35

Guys, I just got back from Brasil, where I was for a month - and I can't find a single BBC channel on 28E. WTF? Anyone?

 

It seems I will have to redo my dish and turn to learning about these two methods...


<span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'>"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-incurred immaturity. Immaturity is the inability to use one's own understanding without the guidance of another. This immaturity is self-incurred if its cause is not lack of understanding, but lack of resolution and courage to use it without the guidance of another. The motto of enlightenment is therefore: Sapere aude! Have courage to use your own understanding!</span><br /> <br /><span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'>Laziness and cowardice are the reasons why such a large proportion of men, even when nature has long emancipated them from alien guidance..." I. Kant, "Political writings" (1784)</span><br /> <br /><span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'><a class='bbc_url' href='<a class='bbc_url' href='http://eserver.org/p...lightenment.txt'>http://eserver.org/p...ent.txt</a>'><a class='bbc_url' href='http://www.english.upenn.edu/~mgamer/Etexts/kant.html</a>'>http://www.english.upenn.edu/~mgamer/Etexts/kant.html</a></a> - the jolly text on Enlightenment, at the basis of Modernity...</span>

Re: Enigma2 and BBC/ITV at 27.5W Intelsat - a big challenge #403 pecorazza

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Posted 27 February 2014 - 14:45

Guys, I just got back from Brasil, where I was for a month - and I can't find a single BBC channel on 28E. WTF? Anyone?

 

It seems I will have to redo my dish and turn to learning about these two methods...

Post 400 - Kota says it's a key change



Re: Enigma2 and BBC/ITV at 27.5W Intelsat - a big challenge #404 jpuigs

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Posted 27 February 2014 - 14:59

No, it isn't normal.

I have the same box and have not observed it although the box slows down indeed, which is particularly visible when scrolling through a long channel list.

To reduce this effect I have increased time sleep from 0.5 to about 3 or 4 following doublet's advice.

 

I have the following:

# main loop
while True:
 time.sleep(3.0)
 

But CPU still has 80-90% usage on HD.

Now, I have tuned to BBC ONE (SD), and although pictures is black (key change), CPU is 71 %.


Edited by jpuigs, 27 February 2014 - 15:01.

Enigma is getting old....

 

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Re: Enigma2 and BBC/ITV at 27.5W Intelsat - a big challenge #405 Robinson

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Posted 27 February 2014 - 15:23

And what if you remove the script? Does CPU usage go down to almost 0?

I think it is something different that is causing the problem for you.

Try "ps" command via telnet.


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Re: Enigma2 and BBC/ITV at 27.5W Intelsat - a big challenge #406 Robinson

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Posted 27 February 2014 - 15:30

If you try can you please let me know if this works for you to?

I'll try and experiment, if not today, over the weekend.


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Re: Enigma2 and BBC/ITV at 27.5W Intelsat - a big challenge #407 gorski

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Posted 27 February 2014 - 16:30

No pecorazza, not 27,5W but on 28E... FTA it was... but now no signal...

 

Must have moved them and narrow beamed it to UK...

 

So, 27,5W is now a must for most of us...


<span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'>"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-incurred immaturity. Immaturity is the inability to use one's own understanding without the guidance of another. This immaturity is self-incurred if its cause is not lack of understanding, but lack of resolution and courage to use it without the guidance of another. The motto of enlightenment is therefore: Sapere aude! Have courage to use your own understanding!</span><br /> <br /><span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'>Laziness and cowardice are the reasons why such a large proportion of men, even when nature has long emancipated them from alien guidance..." I. Kant, "Political writings" (1784)</span><br /> <br /><span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'><a class='bbc_url' href='<a class='bbc_url' href='http://eserver.org/p...lightenment.txt'>http://eserver.org/p...ent.txt</a>'><a class='bbc_url' href='http://www.english.upenn.edu/~mgamer/Etexts/kant.html</a>'>http://www.english.upenn.edu/~mgamer/Etexts/kant.html</a></a> - the jolly text on Enlightenment, at the basis of Modernity...</span>

Re: Enigma2 and BBC/ITV at 27.5W Intelsat - a big challenge #408 ozzsurf

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Posted 27 February 2014 - 16:53

@gorski

 

no new key yet

 

27,5W no good till then



Re: Enigma2 and BBC/ITV at 27.5W Intelsat - a big challenge #409 gorski

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Posted 27 February 2014 - 18:19

Thanx, I am not ready anyway... I hope the usual way of getting BISS keys will work soon...


<span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'>"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-incurred immaturity. Immaturity is the inability to use one's own understanding without the guidance of another. This immaturity is self-incurred if its cause is not lack of understanding, but lack of resolution and courage to use it without the guidance of another. The motto of enlightenment is therefore: Sapere aude! Have courage to use your own understanding!</span><br /> <br /><span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'>Laziness and cowardice are the reasons why such a large proportion of men, even when nature has long emancipated them from alien guidance..." I. Kant, "Political writings" (1784)</span><br /> <br /><span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'><a class='bbc_url' href='<a class='bbc_url' href='http://eserver.org/p...lightenment.txt'>http://eserver.org/p...ent.txt</a>'><a class='bbc_url' href='http://www.english.upenn.edu/~mgamer/Etexts/kant.html</a>'>http://www.english.upenn.edu/~mgamer/Etexts/kant.html</a></a> - the jolly text on Enlightenment, at the basis of Modernity...</span>

Re: Enigma2 and BBC/ITV at 27.5W Intelsat - a big challenge #410 pecorazza

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Posted 27 February 2014 - 19:12

Can someone plz let me know which is the usual way ? (pm please...)

Edited by pecorazza, 27 February 2014 - 19:13.


Re: Enigma2 and BBC/ITV at 27.5W Intelsat - a big challenge #411 jpuigs

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Posted 27 February 2014 - 19:17

And what if you remove the script? Does CPU usage go down to almost 0?

I think it is something different that is causing the problem for you.

Try "ps" command via telnet.

 

Script disabled, FTA channel Clubland TV (28 East)

 

Mem: 124288K used, 166520K free, 0K shrd, 556K buff, 36500K cached            

CPU:   5% usr   6% sys   0% nic  82% idle   0% io   0% irq   4% sirq          

Load average: 0.86 0.60 0.27 1/77 703                                         

  PID  PPID USER     STAT   VSZ %VSZ %CPU COMMAND                             

  650   646 root     S     123m  43%   6% /usr/bin/enigma2                    
  128     2 root     SW       0   0%   4% [sched_high]                        
  693   650 root     S     4052   1%   3% btrGen 0 2557 2558                  
  358     1 root     S     3984   1%   0% nmbd -D                             
  697   560 root     R     3220   1%   0% top                                 
    3     2 root     SW       0   0%   0% [ksoftirqd/0]                       
  127     2 root     SW       0   0%   0% [sched_low]                         
  680     2 root     SW       0   0%   0% [kdvb-ad-0-fe-1]                    
  360     1 root     S     6928   2%   0% smbd -D                             
  365   360 root     S     6928   2%   0% smbd -D                             
  437     1 avahi    S     3716   1%   0% avahi-daemon: running [et9x00.local]
  438   437 avahi    S     3716   1%   0% avahi-daemon: chroot helper         
  560   559 root     S     3384   1%   0% -sh                                 
  423     1 root     S     3276   1%   0% /usr/sbin/inetd                     
  559   423 root     S     3224   1%   0% telnetd                             
  396     1 messageb S     3092   1%   0% /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --system       
  646     1 root     S     2996   1%   0% {enigma2.sh} /bin/sh /usr/bin/enigma2
  430     1 root     S     2900   1%   0% /sbin/klogd -n                      
  381     1 root     S     2900   1%   0% udhcpc -R -b -H et9x00 -p /var/run/ud
  427     1 root     S     2896   1%   0% /sbin/syslogd -n -O /var/log/messages

 

BBC ONE 27.5 West , softcam (mgcamd) disabled.

 

Mem: 123884K used, 166924K free, 0K shrd, 556K buff, 36500K cached            

CPU:  20% usr  34% sys   0% nic  41% idle   0% io   0% irq   2% sirq          

Load average: 0.74 0.55 0.30 3/74 806                                         

  PID  PPID USER     STAT   VSZ %VSZ %CPU COMMAND                             

  650   646 root     R     123m  43%  50% /usr/bin/enigma2                    
  128     2 root     RW       0   0%   3% [sched_high]                        
  805   650 root     S     4052   1%   3% btrGen 0 501 502                    
    3     2 root     SW       0   0%   0% [ksoftirqd/0]                       
  804   560 root     R     3220   1%   0% top                                 
  127     2 root     SW       0   0%   0% [sched_low]                         
  360     1 root     S     6928   2%   0% smbd -D                             
  365   360 root     S     6928   2%   0% smbd -D                             
  358     1 root     S     3984   1%   0% nmbd -D                             
  437     1 avahi    S     3716   1%   0% avahi-daemon: running [et9x00.local]
  438   437 avahi    S     3716   1%   0% avahi-daemon: chroot helper         
  560   559 root     S     3384   1%   0% -sh                                 
  423     1 root     S     3276   1%   0% /usr/sbin/inetd                     
  559   423 root     S     3224   1%   0% telnetd                             
  396     1 messageb S     3092   1%   0% /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --system       
  646     1 root     S     2996   1%   0% {enigma2.sh} /bin/sh /usr/bin/enigma2
  430     1 root     S     2900   1%   0% /sbin/klogd -n                      
  381     1 root     S     2900   1%   0% udhcpc -R -b -H et9x00 -p /var/run/ud
  427     1 root     S     2896   1%   0% /sbin/syslogd -n -O /var/log/messages
  563   561 root     S     2716   1%   0% vsftpd                              

 

Same, but Mgcamd enabled

 

Mem: 124404K used, 166404K free, 0K shrd, 556K buff, 36500K cached            

CPU:  21% usr  40% sys   0% nic  32% idle   0% io   0% irq   5% sirq          

Load average: 1.16 0.75 0.40 3/78 828                                         

  PID  PPID USER     STAT   VSZ %VSZ %CPU COMMAND                             

  650   646 root     R     123m  43%  50% /usr/bin/enigma2                    
  128     2 root     SW       0   0%   5% [sched_high]                        
  815     1 root     S    22600   8%   5% /usr/bin/mgcamd                     
  819   650 root     S     4052   1%   5% btrGen 0 501 502                    
    3     2 root     SW       0   0%   0% [ksoftirqd/0]                       
  559   423 root     S     3224   1%   0% telnetd                             
  827   560 root     R     3220   1%   0% top                                 
   25     2 root     SW       0   0%   0% [kworker/0:1]                       
   22     2 root     SW       0   0%   0% [kworker/1:1]                       
  360     1 root     S     6928   2%   0% smbd -D                             
  365   360 root     S     6928   2%   0% smbd -D                             
  358     1 root     S     3984   1%   0% nmbd -D                             
  437     1 avahi    S     3716   1%   0% avahi-daemon: running [et9x00.local]
  438   437 avahi    S     3716   1%   0% avahi-daemon: chroot helper         
  560   559 root     S     3384   1%   0% -sh                                 
  423     1 root     S     3276   1%   0% /usr/sbin/inetd                     
  396     1 messageb S     3092   1%   0% /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --system       
  646     1 root     S     2996   1%   0% {enigma2.sh} /bin/sh /usr/bin/enigma2
  430     1 root     S     2900   1%   0% /sbin/klogd -n                      
  381     1 root     S     2900   1%   0% udhcpc -R -b -H et9x00 -p /var/run/ud

 

 

Same, script enabled

 

Mem: 127084K used, 163724K free, 0K shrd, 588K buff, 36760K cached            

CPU:  24% usr  52% sys   0% nic  12% idle   0% io   0% irq  12% sirq          

Load average: 1.91 1.30 0.69 2/80 1196                                        

  PID  PPID USER     STAT   VSZ %VSZ %CPU COMMAND                             

  848   838 root     R     123m  43%  52% /usr/bin/enigma2                    
  128     2 root     RW       0   0%  12% [sched_high]                        
  815     1 root     S    31880  11%   8% /usr/bin/mgcamd                     
 1099   848 root     S     4052   1%   8% btrGen 0 6601 6602                  
 1196   560 root     R     2896   1%   4% top                                 
  847   845 root     S     8992   3%   0% {bbc_pmt_v4.py} /usr/bin/python -u /u
  360     1 root     S     6928   2%   0% smbd -D                             
  365   360 root     S     6928   2%   0% smbd -D                             
  358     1 root     S     3984   1%   0% nmbd -D                             
  437     1 avahi    S     3716   1%   0% avahi-daemon: running [et9x00.local]
  438   437 avahi    S     3716   1%   0% avahi-daemon: chroot helper         
  560   559 root     S     3384   1%   0% -sh                                 
  423     1 root     S     3276   1%   0% /usr/sbin/inetd                     
  559   423 root     S     3224   1%   0% telnetd                             
  396     1 messageb S     3092   1%   0% /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --system       
  838     1 root     S     2996   1%   0% {enigma2.sh} /bin/sh /usr/bin/enigma2
  845     1 root     S     2980   1%   0% {bbc_pmt_starter} /bin/sh /usr/bin/bb
  430     1 root     S     2900   1%   0% /sbin/klogd -n                      
  381     1 root     S     2900   1%   0% udhcpc -R -b -H et9x00 -p /var/run/ud
  427     1 root     S     2896   1%   0% /sbin/syslogd -n -O /var/log/messages

Edited by jpuigs, 27 February 2014 - 19:19.

Enigma is getting old....

 

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Re: Enigma2 and BBC/ITV at 27.5W Intelsat - a big challenge #412 gorski

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Posted 27 February 2014 - 20:27

Brute force, methinx, Pecorazza... People band together with some tools and share the load...


Edited by gorski, 27 February 2014 - 20:27.

<span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'>"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-incurred immaturity. Immaturity is the inability to use one's own understanding without the guidance of another. This immaturity is self-incurred if its cause is not lack of understanding, but lack of resolution and courage to use it without the guidance of another. The motto of enlightenment is therefore: Sapere aude! Have courage to use your own understanding!</span><br /> <br /><span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'>Laziness and cowardice are the reasons why such a large proportion of men, even when nature has long emancipated them from alien guidance..." I. Kant, "Political writings" (1784)</span><br /> <br /><span style='font-family: comic sans ms,cursive'><a class='bbc_url' href='<a class='bbc_url' href='http://eserver.org/p...lightenment.txt'>http://eserver.org/p...ent.txt</a>'><a class='bbc_url' href='http://www.english.upenn.edu/~mgamer/Etexts/kant.html</a>'>http://www.english.upenn.edu/~mgamer/Etexts/kant.html</a></a> - the jolly text on Enlightenment, at the basis of Modernity...</span>

Re: Enigma2 and BBC/ITV at 27.5W Intelsat - a big challenge #413 pecorazza

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Posted 27 February 2014 - 22:25

Yeah mate, I knew that. I was asking about WHERE. By the way I manged to find it out. Cheerz anyway :-)

Edited by pecorazza, 27 February 2014 - 22:26.


Re: Enigma2 and BBC/ITV at 27.5W Intelsat - a big challenge #414 Robinson

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Posted 28 February 2014 - 09:47

jpuigs, so it looks like your CPU% goes up whenever you zap to 27.5W, whether the script is running or not.

I can't explain that.

 

As regards subtitles, I haven't had a chance to experiment yet but to get subtitles would be very good.

pecorazza, are you sure that c:09 entry should end in 0101?

See here: http://openpli.org/f...c/24768-lamedb/


Edited by Robinson, 28 February 2014 - 09:51.

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Re: Enigma2 and BBC/ITV at 27.5W Intelsat - a big challenge #415 pecorazza

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Posted 28 February 2014 - 13:52

Hi Robinson.

 

I figured that the c:09 entry finishes always with 0101 because I found that on my previous lamedb, which I took as an example. That lamedb file was autoupdated during a reboot of the box (don't ask me why :-) ) with the c:09 string and 0101 at the end.

Do you think it should finish by 8800?

 

Thank you for pointing me to that thread - but unfortunately we can't now do any test



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Posted 28 February 2014 - 14:10

Do you think it should finish by 8800?

 

No, I'm not saying that.

I just observe various values on other channels on various other satellites and I'm wondering what these last 4 digits signify.

Unfortunately, I can't see it in the cpp file referenced in the thread I mentioned above.


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Posted 28 February 2014 - 14:36

I did the same just now Robinson and checked an old lamedb file from a backup. I noticed that these numbers are often 2020 and in some cases they are just missing:
C:0992e0202 - channel 4 from BSkyB
C:09cd - Boomerang from SkyItalia

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Posted 2 March 2014 - 15:20

I did the same for BBC Two: Vpid - 201 / Apid - 202 --> SUBTITLE_PID = 205 which means "cd" in hexadecimal -- and so on for all channels. If you check my list you can see that I did this for all channels. Subtitle pid is in this form: "c:09XXX0101" where XXX is the subtitle_pid found with the method I described.

 

On the other hand, the strange thing is that subtiles effectively work only if the pid string on lamedb is empty: only p:BBC and no pids on it. So I just cancelled the pids from BBC Four, BBC Two and BBC One NI and after reboot these channels firstly didn't clear. After making some zapping on the other channels (Cbeebies, BBC One etc) the three channels cleared and they now had subtitles. I think that I can manage to do the same on BBC Three but haven't tried yet.

 

I don't quite understand.

On the one hand you are bending over backwards to get the correct subtitle PID values and on the other hand you need to get rid of them from lamedb.

And one more thing, some time ago I observed that the channel must be on (not just in standby) so as recording was possible. However, when using timer recording I chose "timer type" as "switch on and record" I assumed the recording would be fine. Unfortunately I only got black screen (it was before key change). I'm not sure why.

Anyone experimented with that?


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Yes, that's it. I got subtitles only on channels without pids on lamedb, but only if some other channels have the correct pids on the very same file. I don't understand myself what this happens, but empirically it does.
About the recording, some timese I had the same problem as you. By the way, when it happens to record the correct program, no subtitles were found on the ts file (only audio and video).

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Posted 2 March 2014 - 18:49

doublet, are subtitles displayed correctly on your Dreambox in short mode?

They're not on ET9x00 in long mode.

Again, maybe it is a question of drivers. Or do you have an idea how this can be corrected?


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