Is that already actually done in this casze? I mean, OS taken by a corp and made into closed source?!?
If it is - it's abominable! In that case - boycott!!!
The Vu+ PrismCube box will be available in the next months.
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Re: The Vu+ PrismCube box will be available in the next months. #141
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Posted 15 October 2013 - 17:53
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Re: The Vu+ PrismCube box will be available in the next months. #142
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Posted 15 October 2013 - 19:20
It's closed source. So nothing can be proven. So I don't make statements or point fingers.
But when you see features appear that look the same and do the same, as I said, it makes you wonder if someone really thought "that is a good idea, let me build that too", and do that from scratch without looking at whats openly available...
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Posted 15 October 2013 - 19:24
OK, found something:
http://forum.abipbox.com/ http://update.prismcube.com/addons-frodo/
http://update.prismc...uby_v1.xxx.xxx/
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Re: The Vu+ PrismCube box will be available in the next months. #144
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Posted 15 October 2013 - 19:27
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Re: The Vu+ PrismCube box will be available in the next months. #145
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Posted 15 October 2013 - 19:32
Blackhole has an Enigma2 image too. On top of the closed source (i.e. binary only) image from DMM. Doesn't say anything...
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Re: The Vu+ PrismCube box will be available in the next months. #146
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Posted 15 October 2013 - 19:35
Ahem... Seem to mix up two threads here... Ignore what I wrote (except the part about the fastscan code).
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Re: The Vu+ PrismCube box will be available in the next months. #147
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Posted 15 October 2013 - 19:58
Prismcube is supposed to be using Open Source software See a.o. http://update.prismcube.com/
I have no idea if they really are.
Blackhole (as well as VTi) are well known for violating all Open Source licenses.
I have no idea if they really are.
Blackhole (as well as VTi) are well known for violating all Open Source licenses.
Re: The Vu+ PrismCube box will be available in the next months. #148
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Posted 15 October 2013 - 20:40
From what I can see on their website, the XMBC part is open.
But the rest, and that includes all DVB stuff, isn't there. XMBC needs to talk to a DVB backend to provide the TV and PVR features.
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Re: The Vu+ PrismCube box will be available in the next months. #149
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Posted 15 October 2013 - 20:49
Hmmmm, but reading the makefile for the image the only repos that's being used is the (open and available) git://update.prismcube.com/
Or do I miss something in my reading?
Or do I miss something in my reading?
Re: The Vu+ PrismCube box will be available in the next months. #150
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Posted 15 October 2013 - 21:01
True sarcasm doesn't need green font...
Re: The Vu+ PrismCube box will be available in the next months. #151
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Posted 15 October 2013 - 21:04
not really, it's a binary release...you may find this maruapp thing interesting:
http://update.prismc...=prismcube-ruby
http://update.prismc...20131002.tar.gz
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Posted 15 October 2013 - 21:05
yeah, see my signature 
//actually #150 was my response to @SatKiekerd's question...
Edited by blzr, 15 October 2013 - 21:12.
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Re: The Vu+ PrismCube box will be available in the next months. #153
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Posted 16 October 2013 - 01:10
So, while waiting for the definitive answer to the above question of appropriating Open Source code and closing it or not.... let's go back to some of the earlier, pertinent questions:
1) A/V Codecs supported?
2) Consumption?
3) EXT2/3/4 supported?
4) Recording to NTFS?
5) HDMI 1.4?
6) USB 3?
7) 2xHD PiP?
8) How many (HD) channels can we record at the same time?
9) Which emus/CS SW?
Etc. etc.
Thanx!
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Posted 16 October 2013 - 02:44
ad 8: That's the easy-to-answer one, as it is stated on their homepage: 'DVB-S2 TWIN PVR: Two concurrent recordings while Time Shifting one additional channel'.
Regarding Open Source: At prismcube.com a link to http://prismcube.com...w.html?serial=1 states 'Source code for Prismcube Ruby (as required by GPL)'.
It's not something I can check, but doesn't this hold all the sources? Or is there again a closed part in it?
Regarding Open Source: At prismcube.com a link to http://prismcube.com...w.html?serial=1 states 'Source code for Prismcube Ruby (as required by GPL)'.
It's not something I can check, but doesn't this hold all the sources? Or is there again a closed part in it?
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Posted 16 October 2013 - 07:29
Only the XMBC shell is open source, the rest, including all DVB stuff, isn't.
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Posted 16 October 2013 - 08:35
So now the question pops up: is a closed source addition to an open source image allowed?
I noticed this very question around the PrismCube has been asked on several forums, with quite divers answers.
Linux itself is open source; however it is quite often used in (embedded) (semi-)closed source systems. That looks like the situation of the PrismCube. If that would be against the license, that would apply to a huge number of systems.
I noticed this very question around the PrismCube has been asked on several forums, with quite divers answers.
Linux itself is open source; however it is quite often used in (embedded) (semi-)closed source systems. That looks like the situation of the PrismCube. If that would be against the license, that would apply to a huge number of systems.
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Posted 16 October 2013 - 08:45
is a closed source addition to an open source image allowed?
Why not?
E.g. there are enough plugins closed source.....
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Re: The Vu+ PrismCube box will be available in the next months. #158
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Posted 16 October 2013 - 08:46
If they are different components, for example a separate library (that is not compiled in) or a separate application, the answer is "yes, the GPL license allows that". Like it is allowed to use closed-source drivers in Linux.
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Posted 16 October 2013 - 09:41
Yeah, but things that are not allowed happen often enough, so that doesn't mean anything.
Why not?is a closed source addition to an open source image allowed?
E.g. there are enough plugins closed source.....
So using this definition, would the PrismCube be Open/CLosed/Partially Open?If they are different components, for example a separate library (that is not compiled in) or a separate application, the answer is "yes, the GPL license allows that". Like it is allowed to use closed-source drivers in Linux.
And the addition of the DVB-aplication(s) on top of an Open Source system is allowed in this case?
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Posted 16 October 2013 - 09:48
Or as Pop_eye asked/stated earlier:
Will the linuxtv api still be used with this project or not ?
There are two aspects:
1. if the answer is YES - then the tuners and all the pvr / ca interfacing code should be needed to be released aswell.
It is exactly this portion which both DM and vuplus are both failing to do since their code is interfaced with broadcom proprietary api.
And since much of this code is using dvb-core components..guess what ? They are breaking GNU license.
2. if the answer is NO - then another layer of interfacing should needs to be built from ground to respect XBMC requirements.
This is exactly what gorski and others are reading between the lines...this is what open source is all about.
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