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[dmh]

Hi,

 

I'm trying out a thought, and I'm not sure if it's possible. I have a DM800SE HD and I'm streaming channels through Kodi to my living-room and bedroom. To begin with, I started with Kodi on a RaspBerry Pi 3 in the living-room, and the stream goes smoothly, no issues here. But then I was thinking if it's possible to stream the channels from the dreambox to our bedroom at the same time while streaming to the living-room. I'v installed Kodi on Apple TV 4 and setup another user (not root) for the bedroom, let's call them:

 

user1: living-room

user2: bedroom

 

Surprisingly I'm able to stream to booth TV's simultaneously on the criteria that booth TV's are streaming the same channel. I'f I try to switch channel on one of the TV's, I'm only allowed to do so depending on which TV was first logged in

 

Is there a way of watching different channels simultaneously? I know that an extra Dreambox/Vu+ would solve the problem, but I would like to know if it's possible the other way around.

[malakudi]

You need a twin tuner STB. With one tuner, you can only simultaneously receive programs from the same transponder - from the same frequency. So your second user can receive 5-6-10 programs available on the same frequency that the first user has locked the tuner and nothing else.

[dmh]

You need a twin tuner STB. With one tuner, you can only simultaneously receive programs from the same transponder - from the same frequency. So your second user can receive 5-6-10 programs available on the same frequency that the first user has locked the tuner and nothing else.

I'm not able to receive programs from the same transponder on user1+user2 with my single-tuner. Given that channel 1 and channel 2 is on the same transponder, I'm only allowed to stream channel 1 on both TV's.

[WanWizard]

CI module in use? Of if a softcam and local smartcard is in use, which one, and which version?

[dmh]

CI module in use? Of if a softcam and local smartcard is in use, which one, and which version?

No CI in use, it's already in the STB. Using a SmartCard from my provider... Ehmmm which version... Canal Digital.. How do you want me to tell you the version of the card?. v.1.0 ..

[WanWizard]

No, which softcam, and which version of the softcam. Because if you use for example CCcam in version older than 2.3.0, only one stream can be decoded.

[dmh]

No, which softcam, and which version of the softcam. Because if you use for example CCcam in version older than 2.3.0, only one stream can be decoded.

I'm using CCcam version 2.3.0

[WanWizard]

Then I don't know, Enigma is more than capable of streaming / recording all channels on a single transponder, and if you can record, you can stream too.

[dmh]

I Can record one Channel and meanwhile watch another one. But I Can only watch the same Channel on both TVs when they are streaming on the same time. The tv which logs in first seems to be the dominant one and thereby tv2 can't switch channels.

[dmh]

Then I don't know, Enigma is more than capable of streaming / recording all channels on a single transponder, and if you can record, you can stream too.

Could it be related to the way I'm streaming the channels. In room 1 we use a Raspberry Pi3 with OpenElec, and in room 2 we are using a Apple Tv4 with Kodi installed?

[WanWizard]

Shouldn't really matter for normal streams. It does for transcoded streams, but an 800SE can't do that.

 

What happens if you record multiple channels at the same time, on the same transponder?

[dmh]

Shouldn't really matter for normal streams. It does for transcoded streams, but an 800SE can't do that.

 

What happens if you record multiple channels at the same time, on the same transponder?

Hi,

 

Thanks for your reply WanWizard. I tried that this evening, and to my surprise I't didn't record anything, even if Kodi showed me that a record was scheduled. I planned a record of Nat Geo HD at 18:15 and another recording at Discovery HD at 18:00, and no one was recorded... Normaly I record Nat Geo HD, and schedule it to record 'Airplan crash investigations' which always begins at 23:00 in the evening, and the DM800 always records the schedule, but your suggestion seems to have made te DM800 confused what it should record even if it's on the same transponder. Hmm... This is a confession of why I'm not able to watch 2 different channels on the same transponder on 2 different TV's. If it can't record, then it of course can't stream as well..

 

Seems like there is an option I either have forgotten or not looked into at all. Hmm..

[WanWizard]

I don't know what it could be.

 

The only thing that can limit the number of channels being decoded is the softcam or the CI module. CCcam 2.3.0 and Oscam have no problem decoding multiple channels, others and most CI's are limited to one.

[dmh]

I don't know what it could be.

 

The only thing that can limit the number of channels being decoded is the softcam or the CI module. CCcam 2.3.0 and Oscam have no problem decoding multiple channels, others and most CI's are limited to one.

What is the primary difference between CCcam and Oscam?

[WanWizard]

Old and closed source vs maintained and open source?

 

Oscam is more versatile so in come cases a bit more complex to configure. It also has a much better web interface that supports configuration. As it is open source, it doesn't contain illegal code, so for some cards you need to add RSA key info to the config yourself.

 

For normal use, the Oscam in the feeds comes with a config that works for both readers, like CCcam does.

[dmh]

Old and closed source vs maintained and open source?

 

Oscam is more versatile so in come cases a bit more complex to configure. It also has a much better web interface that supports configuration. As it is open source, it doesn't contain illegal code, so for some cards you need to add RSA key info to the config yourself.

 

For normal use, the Oscam in the feeds comes with a config that works for both readers, like CCcam does.

Thanks for the explanation, not sure I do understand it all. Anyway, I think my only solution left is to buy and setup another Dreambox or maybe this time a VU+ and stream separately for the second TV... :/

[WanWizard]

I doubt that, as I said, there is nothing that should or could prevent any box running Enigma2 to record, show TV and stream at the same time.

 

The limitations are:

- tuner setup, one tuner can only receive one orbital quadrant at the same time (which is 1/4th of a transponder).

- the number of simultaneous channels that can be encrypted by the cam (CI module is usually only 1, Oscam and CCcam 2.3.0 multiple).

- and to a lesser extend the CPU power, throughput of your recording device (disk, stick, NAS, etc) and your network.

 

So if you currently have a problem with a DM800SE within the limitations, buying a new box will not solve your problem.

 

Start by testing a FTA channel, one that isn't encrypted (like a shopping channel or a news channel). Watch it, start an instant recording of it using the record button, and stream the same channel?

 

If that works, stream a different FTA channel in the same transponder quadrant (a channel that isn't greyed-out in your channel list when a recording is running). If no second FTA present, find a transponder that has one.

 

If it all works with FTA channels, repeat it with a mix of encrypted channels and FTA channels, and with only encrypted channels.

 

All combinations should work.

[dmh]

I doubt that, as I said, there is nothing that should or could prevent any box running Enigma2 to record, show TV and stream at the same time.

 

The limitations are:

- tuner setup, one tuner can only receive one orbital quadrant at the same time (which is 1/4th of a transponder).

- the number of simultaneous channels that can be encrypted by the cam (CI module is usually only 1, Oscam and CCcam 2.3.0 multiple).

- and to a lesser extend the CPU power, throughput of your recording device (disk, stick, NAS, etc) and your network.

 

So if you currently have a problem with a DM800SE within the limitations, buying a new box will not solve your problem.

 

Start by testing a FTA channel, one that isn't encrypted (like a shopping channel or a news channel). Watch it, start an instant recording of it using the record button, and stream the same channel?

 

If that works, stream a different FTA channel in the same transponder quadrant (a channel that isn't greyed-out in your channel list when a recording is running). If no second FTA present, find a transponder that has one.

 

If it all works with FTA channels, repeat it with a mix of encrypted channels and FTA channels, and with only encrypted channels.

 

All combinations should work.

My idea with a new box was having 2 boxes, one for each TV, and then buy a Dual-LNB, which would provide signal for both STB from the LNB head.

 

The scenario you are mentioning is possible for me on FTA and encrypted channels under the circumstances that I watch the samme channels on both TV's, which really brings me back to the evil circle: I'm not able to stream 2 different channels on the same transponder, not even with 2 different FTA channels.

[WanWizard]

I don't understand how that is possible. There is nothing in OpenPLi that would prevent that.

 

Are you sure the two FTA channels you tried are on the same transponder, in the same quadrant? In other words, if you record the first, can you watch the second on your TV (= it is not greyed out in the channel list)?

[dmh]

I don't understand how that is possible. There is nothing in OpenPLi that would prevent that.

 

Are you sure the two FTA channels you tried are on the same transponder, in the same quadrant? In other words, if you record the first, can you watch the second on your TV (= it is not greyed out in the channel list)?

I'll give it a shot when I come home from work today. Yes, the two FTA are on the same transponder. Please explain how I can check that they are in the same quadrant?

 

Remember that no of my channels are ever greyed out, as I'm using Kodi to stream them.