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[Huevos]

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Edited by Huevos, 18 December 2016 - 19:40.

[Eragon]

Apparently y

 

If it is working in OpenATV like he says, why not here? I don't even see this device listed in OpenATV unicable.xml, so how it works in that image is a mystery.

Apparently you're not following this thread with enough attention..

 

See:

https://forums.openp...ndpost&p=630877

[Huevos]

Not surprising after 9 pages. Anyway what is this?

config.unicable.unicableManufacturer=Dura-Sat(DUR-line)
config.unicable.unicableProduct=UK101

config.Nims.1.advanced.lnb.1.unicableManufacturer=Unitron-Johansson for Sky

[Eragon]

config.unicable.unicableManufacturer=Dura-Sat(DUR-line)
config.unicable.unicableProduct=UK101

 

 

About this ask OpenPLi developers...

 

 

config.Nims.1.advanced.lnb.1.unicableManufacturer=Unitron-Johansson for Sky

 

If you read the thread, you'll find the answer...

Edited by Eragon, 18 December 2016 - 21:25.

[littlesat]

That is samenhing that is not correctie werking yet, The other config was meant to remember the latest selected manufacturer and model zo you do not need to reselect these when you want to config a next lnb... During the introduction we removed two lines als these gave a gsod during first use. I just thing you found why these two lines were required so I can relook into this topic (as it had to 'remember' also a bit more)...

Edited by littlesat, 19 December 2016 - 07:57.

[littlesat]

@Huevos,
Likes it works in openatv by using manual config. The same als it should work in openpli...

With the manual config you can do everything....

Edited by littlesat, 19 December 2016 - 12:00.

[Rob van der Does]

@ Littlesat: your stone coale English is completely garbled....

[littlesat]

That's iPad auto correction....

[Huevos]

That's iPad auto correction....

Auto correction into Dutch?

Edited by Huevos, 19 December 2016 - 12:41.

[Rob van der Does]

That's iPad auto correction....

Please stop using that; it's rubbish.

Or use a proper PC/laptop/Android device.

Edited by Rob van der Does, 19 December 2016 - 12:50.

[Erik Slagter]

About the possibility to share user bands between a Sky+ Pro or Sky Q and a standard JESS receiver, IMHO this unfortunately wouldn't happen, at least if the new Sky environment is going to be used (I mean the wireless Sky Q Mini connected to the main receiver).

 

For this reason, when installing the new Sky+ Pro for this beta testing, Sky Italy is also replacing LNB or multiswitches with their new dCSS hardware, requiring that the sat cable coming from these replaced devices should be connected exclusively to their receiver.

 

And also for this reason, in my apartment I upgraded the original Sky-provided Unitron-Johansson multiswitch (model dCSS-41) having only 1 output, with the better Unitron-Johansson model 9732 which has 2 independent outputs.

I can imagine it's not "allowed". That's not the same thing as "impossible"

[Erik Slagter]

 

 - Are the lowest four (1 -  4) user bands Unicable only, or are they JESS + legacy compatibility? I suspect the last, which means you can simply configure your switch as JESS with user bands 1 - 16.

 

 

 

This what is printed in the manual:

 

CSS Mode

 

ONLY EN50494/SCR standard
For Installation with Legacy STB and PVR/MySKYHD SCR compatible:
  Max 4 User Bands (UB1 to UB4) available (as in the LNB SCR)
  Signalling DiSEqC 1.0

 

ONLY EN50607/dCSS standard
For NEW Installation of HMG:
  12 User Bands for HMG in the range from UB5 to UB16
  Signalling DiSEqC 1.0 or 2.0

 

CONCURRENT EN50494/EN50607 standards
For existing MULTIVISION installations (Legacy STB/PVR SCR compatible), with main STB
upgraded to Next Gen PVR/HMG:
  Max 4 User Bands (UB1 to UB4) available for current STB/PVR
  12 User Bands for HMG in the range from UB5 to UB16
  Signalling DiSEqC 1.0 + signalling DiSEqC 2.0 in the same cable from LNB to apartment

 

SKY UK standard
For Installations with SKY Q-Box :
  16 User bands in SCR mode
  Signalling DiSEqC 1.0 or 2.0

 

http://unitrongroup....?lang=en&id=662

 

As it appears there, the first 4 should be only EN50494.

 

But this should not limit the possibility to have 16 tuners in use, only 4 of them will need to be configured to use 1 to 4 user band in EN50494 (Unicable I)

I am quite certain all user bands will respond to JESS, actually. I can imagine not all user bands responding to Unicable (at least those above 8).

Edited by Erik Slagter, 19 December 2016 - 15:51.

[Erik Slagter]

 

you can simply configure your switch as JESS with user bands 1 - 16..

 

Reconsidering your statement, I suspect you too are afraid that we're going to face a problem in using the unicable.xml file...

 

Reason: that ideal situation (JESS 1 to 16) is not always possible at least with a multiswitch or LNB like those from Unitron-Johansson.

 

As you can see, in these cases user bands 1 to 4 wouldn't work with the JESS/EN50607 standard, and this is what I discovered when trying to use them and the lines

config.Nims.1.advanced.lnb.1.format=jess

and

config.Nims.0.advanced.lnb.1.format=jess

were left over in my settings file from previous JESS tuner configurations, so I had to manually remove them.

 

Well, considering my previously proposed addition to the unicable.xml file, I now believe that for each model not a single line should exist in the file, but 2 lines!

 

for example:

<product name="9732" positions="1" format="jess" scrs="1210,1420,1680,2040,985,1050,1115,1275,1340,1485,1550,1615,1745,1810,1875,1940"/>

should be split in:

<product name="9732 Unicable I EN50494" positions="1" scrs="1210,1420,1680,2040"/>
<product name="9732 JESS EN50607" positions="1" format="jess" scrs="985,1050,1115,1275,1340,1485,1550,1615,1745,1810,1875,1940"/>

but now a problem arises...

 

how could be signaled in the unicable.xml file that for the "9732 JESS EN50607" mode the SCR user bands must start from 5 and not from 1 when showed in the tuner settings screen???

Normally these user bands would be indicated starting with SCR 1...

Add the user bands with frequency = 0 for the user bands that are not applicable. I don't see the problem?

Edited by Erik Slagter, 19 December 2016 - 15:45.

[Erik Slagter]

No you are wrong. 1-32 always accept jess commands. But the LNB/switch onlylistens for unicable 1 on 1-8. This is for legacy receivers. E2 should never send legacy commands to a jess device.

That is exactly what I am saying (but not proven from practice...)

[Erik Slagter]

Indeed some reversed engineering might be required...

We already know that the "Sky JESS" is simply JESS with the voltage being low (which is forbidden by JESS). Someone with such an installation and that compile enigma2 himself, could try it.

Edited by Erik Slagter, 19 December 2016 - 15:52.

[WanWizard]

Erik,

 

Would it be of interest to arrange one of these Unitron switches, so we can do some tests ourselfs? I could see what our contact in Belgium can arrange?

[Eragon]

I am quite certain all user bands will respond to JESS, actually. I can imagine not all user bands responding to Unicable (at least those above 8).

 

 

Hi Erik, I actually tested these JESS EN50607 configurations:

 

LOF = Unicable/JESS

Unicable configuration mode = Unicable/JESS user defined

Format = JESS

Position = 1

 

Channel = SCR 1  /  Frequency = 1210

or

Channel = SCR 2  /  Frequency = 1420

or

Channel = SCR 3  /  Frequency = 1680

or

Channel = SCR 4  /  Frequency = 2040

 

The tuners don't work.

 

Using SCR 5 and above both the tuners work correctly at the same time.

 

 

Conversely, with these Unicable I EN50494 configurations:

 

LOF = Unicable User defined

 

Channel = SCR 1  /  Frequency = 1210

or

Channel = SCR 2  /  Frequency = 1420

or

Channel = SCR 3  /  Frequency = 1680

or

Channel = SCR 4  /  Frequency = 2040

 

the tuners work.

 

So, at least for my experience with this Unitron-Johansson multiswitch, user bands 1 to 4 definitely don't respond to JESS commands, exactly as indicated in the installation manual.

 

 

 

 

[WanWizard]

We may assume it is especially designed to meet the requirements of apartment buildings with a mixed STB environment, so the switch can support both the new SKY Q system as the old SKY+ HD system with unicable at the same time.

 

If we want to fully support switches like this, we may need to redesign some of our system, because the "format" is no longer defined per switch, but per frequency/position.

[Eragon]

Sky Q is limited to UK, at least for the moment

Currently in Germany, Austria and Italy there is a new receiver of the same type called:

in Germany and Austria: Sky+ Pro

in Italy: New MySkyHD (actually the name MySkyHD is not new, in Italy it has always been used for Sky's recording capable receivers).

 

This new type of receiver has been designed to coexist with classic Unicable I receivers in the same sat installation, differently from Sky Q which doesn't allow sharing the same feed.

[littlesat]

Would be interesting to have a manual config that is working with this switch...