19 replies to this topic

[frankviana]

Hi. I have vu zero 4k and see crop pictures for some channels. I did tests with all kind of configurations, but the problem don't desappear.

Using webif, I see complete image (no borders crop), but my tv appear crop borders, including configuration (both: webif and tv)

For all channels, I see crop using testscreens and for "SOME" channels I see for testscreens and dvb picture.

 

My other receivers, I see complete picture, including SX88. I don't know why for only few channels appear this way. I did tests with all kind of video settings.

 

I did tests with my 2 samsung boxes:

SAMSUNG UN49MU6300 (4k) and SAMSUNG UN40D5500 (1080p)

I don't understand why for few HD channels. I don't have problem with other HD/K4 channels.. appear 16:9 full

I don't understand too why this same channel appear ok using all my boxes android and my Octagon SX88 (same tv Samsung 4k), only changing source/input and lnb cable (vu zero 4k to sx88) nothing more...

Overscan both tv ok (+0%, +0%)

See the tests below (attach)

CROP dvb picture (TV)

 

 WhatsApp Image 2019-05-23 at 13.08.23.jpeg   35.18KB   3 downloads

 

OK dvb picture (webif)

 

 1_0_1_1_2_1_BAD902E_0_0_0_19691231210811.jpg   95.83KB   3 downloads

 

Openpli 7.1 and old images:

 

 1_0_1_1_2_1_BAD902E_0_0_0_19691231210942.jpg   99.97KB   2 downloads

 

Tests with OpenATV and OpenPli. Openatv: https://www.opena.tv...e-channels.html

 

OpenPli I did only basic settings: network, manual transponder scan, testscreens.. nothing more...

 

Maybe drivers problem?

 

Thanks

Edited by frankviana, 23 May 2019 - 17:36.

[WanWizard]

The PiG you mean, not the full screen image?

[littlesat]

I suppose... as far I understand a change in the driver causes when pip is active standard screen (pig) does not resize and positioned... happens also on ultimo4k. Vu needs to be notified I suppose.

Edited by littlesat, 23 May 2019 - 17:56.

[frankviana]

Yes, not full screen (16x9), but 4:3

 

Same channel REDE NEW, Starone C3 (61 w, C band), 4142 V 3333

Octagon Sx88 (same input, same tv, same Lnbf)

 

 WhatsApp Image 2019-05-23 at 13.56.59(2).jpeg   68.16KB   3 downloads

 

 WhatsApp Image 2019-05-23 at 13.56.58(2).jpeg   73.07KB   2 downloads

 

 WhatsApp Image 2019-05-23 at 13.56.58(1).jpeg   81.99KB   3 downloads

 

 WhatsApp Image 2019-05-23 at 13.56.58.jpeg   63.01KB   2 downloads

[frankviana]

The PiG you mean, not the full screen image?

 

Yes... appear 4x3 for TV, but webif appear 16:9

[frankviana]

I did tests with my zero (mips) and same channel appear same problem (openatv 6.2)

 

I think openpli too... but now i dont have time to test with openpli

[frankviana]

Hi. I have vu zero 4k and see crop pictures for some channels. I did tests with all kind of configurations, but the problem don't desappear.

Using webif, I see complete image (no borders crop), but my tv appear crop borders, including configuration (both: webif and tv)

For all channels, I see crop using testscreens and for "SOME" channels I see for testscreens and dvb picture.

 

My other receivers, I see complete picture, including SX88. I don't know why for only few channels appear this way. I did tests with all kind of video settings.

 

I did tests with my 2 samsung boxes:

SAMSUNG UN49MU6300 (4k) and SAMSUNG UN40D5500 (1080p)

I don't understand why for few HD channels. I don't have problem with other HD/K4 channels.. appear 16:9 full

I don't understand too why this same channel appear ok using all my boxes android and my Octagon SX88 (same tv Samsung 4k), only changing source/input and lnb cable (vu zero 4k to sx88) nothing more...

Overscan both tv ok (+0%, +0%)

See the tests below (attach)

CROP dvb picture (TV)

 

WhatsApp Image 2019-05-23 at 13.08.23.jpeg

 

OK dvb picture (webif)

 

1_0_1_1_2_1_BAD902E_0_0_0_19691231210811.jpg

 

Openpli 7.1 and old images:

 

1_0_1_1_2_1_BAD902E_0_0_0_19691231210942.jpg

 

Tests with OpenATV and OpenPli. Openatv: https://www.opena.tv...e-channels.html

 

OpenPli I did only basic settings: network, manual transponder scan, testscreens.. nothing more...

 

Maybe drivers problem?

 

Thanks

 

webif (screenshot from computer)

 

TV (picture/screenshot from phone)

[frankviana]

Here the sample video (from zero 4k)

 

https://mega.nz/#!rA...rZ_BVHWZU5KKmKI

 

Windows show full video (16:9)

 

Using vu zero and vu zero 4k media player, show 4:3 (crop)

 

Please, test with other receiver too.

 

Media info (windows):

 

eral
ID                                       : 2 (0x2)
Complete name                            : C:\Users\Frank\Downloads\20190521 2353 - Rede New - instant record.ts
Format                                   : MPEG-TS
File size                                : 95.8 MiB
Duration                                 : 1 min 56s
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variável
Overall bit rate                         : 6 919 kb/s

Vídeo
ID                                       : 53 (0x35)
Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High@L4
Format settings                          : CABAC / 4 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC                   : Sim
Format settings, Reference frames        : 4 quadros
Format settings, GOP                     : M=4, N=32
Codec ID                                 : 27
Duration                                 : 1 min 55s
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate                               : 29.970 (30000/1001) FPS
Standard                                 : Component
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Entrelaçado
Scan order                               : Primeiro a área superior
Color range                              : Limited
Color primaries                          : BT.709
Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709

Áudio
ID                                       : 54 (0x36)
Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
Format                                   : AAC LC SBR
Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity with Spectral Band Replication
Commercial name                          : HE-AAC
Format settings                          : NBC
Muxing mode                              : LATM
Codec ID                                 : 17-2
Duration                                 : 1 min 55s
Bit rate mode                            : Variável
Channel(s)                               : 2 canais
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 23.438 FPS (2048 SPF)
Delay relative to video                  : -720 ms
 

Media player classic (jpg)

 

 Media player classic.png   385.24KB   1 downloads

Edited by frankviana, 23 May 2019 - 19:54.

[frankviana]

This is another video sample, but appear ok (windows, zero and zero 4k), media player or channel list

https://mega.nz/#!fN...URY8jNOq-KWuxjA

 

Media info:

 

General
ID                                       : 1886 (0x75E)
Complete name                            : C:\Users\Frank\Downloads\20190523 1510 - Rede Vida HD - O Santo Terco.ts
Format                                   : MPEG-TS
File size                                : 39.3 MiB
Duration                                 : 38 s 407 ms
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 8 535 kb/s

Video
ID                                       : 501 (0x1F5)
Menu ID                                  : 60352 (0xEBC0)
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High@L4
Format settings                          : 3 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC                   : No
Format settings, Reference frames        : 3 frames
Format settings, GOP                     : M=4, N=30
Codec ID                                 : 27
Duration                                 : 37 s 471 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Nominal bit rate                         : 8 000 kb/s
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate                               : 29.970 (30000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Interlaced
Scan type, store method                  : Separated fields
Scan order                               : Top Field First
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.129
Color range                              : Limited
Color primaries                          : BT.709
Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709

Audio #1
ID                                       : 511 (0x1FF)
Menu ID                                  : 60352 (0xEBC0)
Format                                   : AAC LC SBR
Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity with Spectral Band Replication
Commercial name                          : HE-AAC
Format settings                          : NBC
Muxing mode                              : LATM
Codec ID                                 : 17-5
Duration                                 : 38 s 400 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 23.438 FPS (2048 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Delay relative to video                  : -497 ms

Audio #2
ID                                       : 513 (0x201)
Menu ID                                  : 60352 (0xEBC0)
Format                                   : AAC LC SBR
Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity with Spectral Band Replication
Commercial name                          : HE-AAC
Format settings                          : NBC
Muxing mode                              : LATM
Codec ID                                 : 17-5
Duration                                 : 38 s 400 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 23.438 FPS (2048 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Delay relative to video                  : -497 ms

Text
ID                                       : 501 (0x1F5)-CC1
Menu ID                                  : 60352 (0xEBC0)
Format                                   : EIA-608
Muxing mode                              : SCTE 128 / DTVCC Transport
Muxing mode, more info                   : Muxed in Video #1
Duration                                 : 37 s 471 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Stream size                              : 0.00 Byte (0%)
CaptionServiceName                       : CC1

Menu
ID                                       : 80 (0x50)
Menu ID                                  : 60352 (0xEBC0)
List                                     : 501 (0x1F5) (AVC) / 511 (0x1FF) (AAC) / 513 (0x201) (AAC)

[frankviana]

tests with Media Player (vu zero4k) - sample video (MEGA)

 

screenshot (webif)

 

 1_0_0_0_0_0_0_0_0_0_20190523160414.jpg   62.58KB   3 downloads

 

 1_0_0_0_0_0_0_0_0_0_20190523161021.jpg   50.71KB   3 downloads

 

tv (phone picture)

 

 WhatsApp Image 2019-05-23 at 16.05.36.jpeg   65.98KB   3 downloads

 

 

 

Edited by frankviana, 23 May 2019 - 20:11.

[Erik Slagter]

Aspect ratio metadata is wrong. The broadcaster should fix it.

[frankviana]

Aspect ratio metadata is wrong. The broadcaster should fix it.

But why only enigma2/Vu appear this way?

Here we have other channels too. Later I'll collect some video "samples"

Edited by frankviana, 24 May 2019 - 14:32.

[Erik Slagter]

I think the aspect ratio metadata is not exactly 16/9 or 4/3 (which is possible). Apparently other receivers act differently there. According to at least EBU AR should always be exactly 16/9 or 4/3.

 

AFAIK there is no AR metadata in the container (transport stream), the decoder has to rely on the elementrary stream (video stream) to be correct.

 

Enigma itself does no do anything with the AR metadata, because the transport stream is demuxed and decoded by the SoC's hardware.

[frankviana]

Ok. Thank you

[Pr2]

We have the same on Astra 19.2E DVB-S 11538 V 22000 5.6 QPSK channel CGTN the displayed aspect ratio is wrong, left and right black borders

But the funny thing is that if I went into OpenWebif to download the screenshot the aspect ratio is correct there 16/9.

 

Another funny thing is that I can also receive this channel on Hotbird 13.0 DVB-S2 11585 V 27500 5/6 8PSK the image is correct there.

But always on Hotbird 13.0E on DVB-S 11033 V 27500 3/4 QPSK the same channel is wrong also left and right black borders (and also the format is correct if I try to download the image from OpenWebif).

Edited by Pr2, 27 May 2019 - 14:17.

[janejak]

I have this channel and i gona try them im My DM900 With DreamPropty image to check and i come back with result soon

We have the same on Astra 19.2E DVB-S 11538 V 22000 5.6 QPSK channel CGTN the displayed aspect ratio is wrong, left and right black borders

But the funny thing is that if I went into OpenWebif to download the screenshot the aspect ratio is correct there 16/9.

 

Another funny thing is that I can also receive this channel on Hotbird 13.0 DVB-S2 11585 V 27500 5/6 8PSK the image is correct there.

But always on Hotbird 13.0E on DVB-S 11033 V 27500 3/4 QPSK the same channel is wrong also left and right black borders (and also the format is correct if I try to download the image from OpenWebif).

 

Attached Files

•  Clipboard01.jpg   77.03KB   2 downloads

[janejak]

it same on My DM900 and on 9E and 7E but on thor on 0.8W it ok

[Pr2]

We have the same on Astra 19.2E DVB-S 11538 V 22000 5.6 QPSK channel CGTN the displayed aspect ratio is wrong, left and right black borders

But the funny thing is that if I went into OpenWebif to download the screenshot the aspect ratio is correct there 16/9.

 

Another funny thing is that I can also receive this channel on Hotbird 13.0 DVB-S2 11585 V 27500 5/6 8PSK the image is correct there.

But always on Hotbird 13.0E on DVB-S 11033 V 27500 3/4 QPSK the same channel is wrong also left and right black borders (and also the format is correct if I try to download the image from OpenWebif).

 

OpenPLi has added a new feature in the develop image if you long press the green button on the RCU the image aspect ratio is changed.

This solved the problem that I mentionned on CGTN channel.

[mrvica]

not needed, in A/V settings

Display 4:3 Content as   ........................->  Auto

Display > 16:9 Content as ------------------>  Auto

[frankviana]

All informations related until now, here, after boutht zgemma h9s, confirm the problem around drivers, I think.

 

See difference between "crop/cut" border pictures, not only 16x9 to 4x3 resize.

 

 

Vu and dreambox receivers:

 

 WhatsApp Image 2020-05-28 at 08.00.22 (3).jpeg   103.36KB   1 downloads

 

 WhatsApp Image 2020-05-28 at 08.00.22 (2).jpeg   82.49KB   1 downloads

 

 

Zgemma h9s

 WhatsApp Image 2020-05-28 at 08.00.22 (1).jpeg   79.41KB   2 downloads

 

 WhatsApp Image 2020-05-28 at 08.00.22.jpeg   96.39KB   1 downloads

 

I think now, we see the problem.

 

Same posts about another topic, about codec Main@L3 or High@L3.2 AVC codecs: Zgemma h9s open fine (Argentinisima channel) and dreambox/vu open only audio.

Edited by frankviana, 28 May 2020 - 12:13.