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[Pike_Bishop]

Hi,

 

the ciplus impelmentation is a good thing, but if you use the ci+ module for sky de (at least with a VU box) you can't do too much with it.

the problem is if you record from a fta channel and then you switch to a sky channel that doesn't works nothing is decoded as it looks, the picture just stays black.

so you also can't record from a sky channel when recording from an fta channel at the same time.

the problem exists from openpli-8.1 upwards in all openpli versions.

in the old openpli 8.0 if you use the patched enigma (not the implemented ciplus from pli) from @ednaz all is working fine.

Edited by Pike_Bishop, 9 May 2023 - 22:07.

[neo]

It is a restriction in the design.

 

CI modules were designed in a time when CI client devices had one tuner. This tuner receives one transponder, and that transponder is routed in hardware through the CI. Whether it is FTA or not.

 

So as soon as you switch on the box, the CI will be locked to the first transponder tuned, and no other transponders will be routed through the CI until the first transponder is released.

 

You can work around this using the CI assignment plugin, where you can explicitly define which channels need to be routed through the CI. You will still have the limit of one transponder, but the limitation you now notice will be removed.

 

Also, if you also run a softcam next to the CI, block the same channels in the softcam service list. The CI module in some boxes become instable if they get data that was already processed by the softcam.

Edited by neo, 9 May 2023 - 22:12.

[Pike_Bishop]

Hi,

 

i think that's not the problem because i use always the commoninterfaceassignement plugin.

here my ci0.xml;

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8" ?>
<ci>
	<slot>
		<id>0</id>
		<service name="Heimatkanal" ref="1:0:16:16:2:85:C00000:0:0:0:" />
		<service name="Romance TV" ref="1:0:16:206:2:85:C00000:0:0:0:" />
		<service name="Curiosity Channel powered by Spiegel" ref="1:0:16:31:D:85:C00000:0:0:0:" />
		<service name="Jukebox" ref="1:0:16:191:B:85:C00000:0:0:0:" />
		<service name="Sky Comedy HD" ref="1:0:19:E:2:85:C00000:0:0:0:" />
		<service name="Sky Cinema Special HD" ref="1:0:19:6F:D:85:C00000:0:0:0:" />
		<service name="Sky Sport News HD" ref="1:0:19:6C:C:85:C00000:0:0:0:" />
		<service name="Sky Sport Top Event HD" ref="1:0:19:81:6:85:C00000:0:0:0:" />
		<service name="Sky Sport Tennis HD" ref="1:0:19:72:D:85:C00000:0:0:0:" />
		<service name="Sky Cinema Premieren HD" ref="1:0:19:83:6:85:C00000:0:0:0:" />
		<service name="Sky Cinema Premieren +24 HD" ref="1:0:19:87:B:85:C00000:0:0:0:" />
		<service name="Sky Cinema Best Of HD" ref="1:0:19:6B:C:85:C00000:0:0:0:" />
		<service name="Sky Cinema Thriller HD" ref="1:0:19:B:4:85:C00000:0:0:0:" />
		<service name="Sky Cinema Family HD" ref="1:0:19:8B:2:85:C00000:0:0:0:" />
		<service name="Sky Krimi HD" ref="1:0:19:17:4:85:C00000:0:0:0:" />
		<service name="Sky Atlantic HD" ref="1:0:19:6E:D:85:C00000:0:0:0:" />
		<service name="Sky One HD" ref="1:0:19:93:2:85:C00000:0:0:0:" />
		<service name="13th Street HD" ref="1:0:19:7F:D:85:C00000:0:0:0:" />
		<service name="SYFY HD" ref="1:0:19:7E:C:85:C00000:0:0:0:" />
		<service name="Warner TV Film HD" ref="1:0:19:8C:4:85:C00000:0:0:0:" />
		<service name="Warner TV Comedy HD" ref="1:0:19:88:B:85:C00000:0:0:0:" />
		<service name="Sky Replay HD" ref="1:0:19:7C:C:85:C00000:0:0:0:" />
		<service name="Sky Showcase HD" ref="1:0:19:8E:B:85:C00000:0:0:0:" />
		<service name="Sky Crime HD" ref="1:0:19:D:6:85:C00000:0:0:0:" />
		<service name="Discovery HD" ref="1:0:19:82:6:85:C00000:0:0:0:" />
		<service name="Spiegel Geschichte HD" ref="1:0:19:89:10:85:C00000:0:0:0:" />
		<service name="HISTORY Channel HD" ref="1:0:19:71:B:85:C00000:0:0:0:" />
		<service name="Beate Uhse HD" ref="1:0:19:85:3:85:C00000:0:0:0:" />
		<service name="Motorvision TV" ref="1:0:16:A8:B:85:C00000:0:0:0:" />
		<service name="Cartoon Network" ref="1:0:16:194:B:85:C00000:0:0:0:" />
		<service name="Sky Cinema Action HD" ref="1:0:19:74:3:85:C00000:0:0:0:" />
		<service name="Universal TV HD" ref="1:0:19:65:8:85:C00000:0:0:0:" />
		<service name="Sky Nature HD" ref="1:0:19:76:6:85:C00000:0:0:0:" />
		<service name="Sky Documentaries HD" ref="1:0:19:70:D:85:C00000:0:0:0:" />
		<service name="Sky Cinema Fun HD" ref="1:0:19:8:3:85:C00000:0:0:0:" />
		<service name="Warner TV Serie HD" ref="1:0:19:7B:8:85:C00000:0:0:0:" />
		<service name="Cartoonito" ref="1:0:16:1C:C:85:C00000:0:0:0:" />
		<service name="Sky Cinema Classics HD" ref="1:0:19:204:6:85:C00000:0:0:0:" />
		<service name="Crime + Investigation" ref="1:0:16:192:2:85:C00000:0:0:0:" />
		<service name="Romance TV HD" ref="1:0:19:206:2:85:C00000:0:0:0:" />
	</slot>
</ci>

Edited by Pike_Bishop, 9 May 2023 - 22:15.

[neo]

You could always disable the build-in CI+, and look for the cihelper ipk, and see if that works better.

 

But I am pretty sure SKY DE was amongst the CI modules tested.

Edited by neo, 9 May 2023 - 22:16.

[Pike_Bishop]

i know in the inet it exists a ciplushelper for pli but i looked in the code (script)  and that didn't works for vu boxes (at least the one I found).

as i said in the old pli-8.0 with patched enigma2 from @ednaz all works fine, and also in all openatv images.

 

yes i have testet it (the result is here);

https://forums.openp...dpost&p=1435846

@betacentauri knows this problem.

Edited by Pike_Bishop, 9 May 2023 - 22:22.

[neo]

Ok. Then I'm afaid in needs more work.

 

It's a shame all those patched versions are distributed as binary, instead of sharing the code for the patch, so we could see what the problem could be.

[Pike_Bishop]

i'am fully agree with you !

I hope that one day this will be solved.

 

 

regards

Pike

Edited by Pike_Bishop, 10 May 2023 - 00:45.

[mimisiku]

Don’t worry. For SKY it will be over very soon. The CI+ modules will be phased out this year. Pairing has started by the Cable providers as well. SKY only possible in their own hardware…

[WanWizard]

I wonder if SKY can get away with that, given the German laws on this point. No CI means no more watching with just a TV (which I think the majority of older viewers use, instead of an STB).

 

But I agree the playing field is rapidly changing.

 

For cable, Liberty Global has already removed the smartcard all together (for cable networks where the Tivo box is used) and swapped for a softcam solution via Internet, SKY UK is very busy swapping customers to IPTV, and has instructed their installers not to install sat dishes anymore. SKY even sells their own smart TV with built-in streaming client.

 

Great for the environment, all these proprietary devices....

[mimisiku]

SKY has lost it’s gloom and simply tries to cash on - very expensive - sports channels. Heavily overpriced and many in Germany simply ‘pull the plug’. Normal TV is FTA and commercial channels can be viewed with HD+ for a mere € 79 per annum. Liberty Global wants to get rid of SKY since profits are dwindling and Sports becomes too expensive….

[neo]

Didn't know Liberty Global owned sky too? I thought they were into cable networks?

[WanWizard]

Since 2018 Sky Group is owned by Comcast, after Fox lost the bit.

[Pike_Bishop]

yes, maybe that is so and the CI+ modules from sky de disappear, but until it is so far it would still be nice if a solution for the problem I mentioned would come

 

regards

Pike

Edited by Pike_Bishop, 10 May 2023 - 19:06.

[Pike_Bishop]

i have installed now a old openpli-8.0-release (fullbackup) in a slot (vu multiboot), in this fullbackup is included the patched enigma2 from @ednaz for ciplus and it works perfect.

but unfortunately @ednaz doesn't make anything anymore for a long time and so there is currently no solution from openpli-8.1 upwards. 

Edited by Pike_Bishop, 11 May 2023 - 21:18.

[neo]

As long as we don't know what ednaz did...

[rantanplan]

https://github.com/Ednaz/e2binary

[WanWizard]

We know that. Contains only binaries, and only up to 8.0-release.

 

We need to know what patches (s)he applied to enigma.

[rantanplan]

Maybe
Taapat knows something?
I can't really follow 'Giclub.tv'.
But there was the support forum.

Edited by rantanplan, 11 May 2023 - 22:54.

[Dimitrij]

Maybe
Taapat knows something?
I can't really follow 'Giclub.tv'.
But there was the support forum.

You can forget about it forever.

These files no longer exist.

 

Use openBh

[mimisiku]

Wieso? In OpenPli 8.1 > besteht /etc/ciplus. Darin muss mann selber die 4 Dateien kopieren.. Dann läuft CI+ bestens…