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[rantanplan]

Wieso? In OpenPli 8.1 > besteht /etc/ciplus. Darin muss mann selber die 4 Dateien kopieren.. Dann läuft CI+ bestens…

But the question is not 8.1.
It doesn't work properly in 8.3 or develop (If I understood it right)

[Pike_Bishop]

Wieso? In OpenPli 8.1 > besteht /etc/ciplus. Darin muss mann selber die 4 Dateien kopieren.. Dann läuft CI+ bestens…

 

bist du da wirklich sicher?

Ich kenne die includierte Konfiguration zu ci+ in PLI mit Verz. /etc/ciplus und genau das klappt bei ner VU Ultimo 4K mit CI+ Modul von Sky zwar zum reinen Gucken aber mehr eben nicht.

Das Problem wenn man auf nem FTA Kanal etwas aufnimmt und dann zu nem Sky Sender schaltet und dann der Sky Sender nicht entschlüsselt wird

ist bei dieser Konstellation real und zwar in allen PLI Versionen wo ci+ includiert ist also auch im PLI-8.1

Hast du das schonmal getestet oder hast du ne andere Box und anderes Modul als von Sky? Denn mit nem andern Modul als von Sky gibts dieses Problem vermutlich gar nicht.

 

Ich hab auch nen Würgarround aber der is wirklich zum Würgen man muss vor ner Timer Aufnahme von nem FTA Kanal nen Umschalttimer anwenden der auf nen Sky Kanal schaltet

doch zum Einen bringt der bei vielen Timern nix (man verliert da dann den Überblick) und zum Anderen wenn dann also; 

1.) Der Umschalttimer zu nem Sky Kanal startet

2.) Der FTA  Aufnahme Timer danach startet

3.) Nun erst der Aufnahme Timer auf nen Sky Sender startet.

 

Das haut soweit hin doch geht jetzt irgend jemand her und schaltet auf nen FTA Kanal und wieder zurück zum gerade aufnehmenden

Sky Kanal hast du da genau an dieser Stelle jedesmal eine Störung im vom Sky Kanal aufgenommenen movie.

Das is für mich so unbrauchbar.

Ich weiss von was ich rede habe das immer wieder erneut getestet schon im PLI-8.1, im PLI-8.2, im Pli-8.3 und im PLI nightly build.

Ich denke du hast ne andere Konstellation oder du hast das noch nichtmal selber getestet (sonst würdest ja nicht schreiben ciplus läuft bestens).

 

Das die ciplus Implementierung bei PLI Einzug gehalten hat finde ich schon sehr gut aber das geht auch besser was man sowohl beim gepatchten Enigma2 von @ednaz sehen kann

als auch beim OpenATV denn mit den beiden Varianten klappt ja alles wie es soll.

 

Man sollte sich mal die Frage stellen ob das PLI Team und der @Captain vom OpenATV sich da nichtmal drüber austauschen wollen, wäre doch für alle von Vorteil

denn er sollte ja wissen wie das geht damit das korrekt funktioniert.

 

 

SAME IN ENGLISH;

Are you really sure?

I know the included configuration for ci+ in PLI with /etc/ciplus and exactly that works with a VU Ultimo 4K with CI+ module from Sky for pure watching but nothing more.

The problem when you record something on an FTA channel and then switch to a Sky channel and then the Sky channel is not decrypted

is real in all PLI versions where ci+ is included, including PLI-8.1.

Have you ever tested this or do you have another box and another module than from Sky? Because with a different module than from Sky, this problem probably doesn't exist.

 

I also have a Würgarround, but it really chokes me to death. Before recording a timer from an FTA channel, you have to use a switch timer that switches to a Sky channel.

but on the one hand this doesn't work with many timers (you lose the overview) and on the other hand if so; 

1.) The switch timer to a Sky channel starts.

2.) The FTA recording timer starts afterwards

3.) Now the recording timer to a Sky channel starts.

 

 

This works so far, but if someone switches to an FTA channel and then back to the channel that is currently being recorded, you have a problem with this timer.

Sky channel, you have a malfunction in the movie recorded by the Sky channel at exactly this point.

That is so unusable for me.

I know what I'm talking about and have tested this again and again in PLI-8.1, PLI-8.2, PLI-8.3 and PLI nightly build.

I think you have a different constellation or you haven't even tested it yourself (otherwise you wouldn't write that ciplus works fine).

 

 

That the ciplus implementation has found its way into PLI I think is very good but it can also be done better which you can see with the patched Enigma2 by @ednaz

as well as with the OpenATV because with both variants everything works as it should.

 

 

You should ask yourself if the PLI team and the @Captain of the OpenATV don't want to talk about it, it would be an advantage for all of us.

because he should know how to do it so that it works correctly.

 

 

Grüsse

Pike

Edited by Pike_Bishop, 12 May 2023 - 20:48.

[littlesat]

Slowzap plug also installed?

Edited by littlesat, 12 May 2023 - 20:54.

[Pike_Bishop]

Hi littlesat,

 

no.

[littlesat]

Then try it.

[mimisiku]

I have 2 CI+ modules (Viaccess ORCA 64bit Secure) and CAM803 and I can freely watch between them and record. Switching from Encrypted to FTA works fine….

[Pike_Bishop]

@littlesat,

 

ok.

 

@mimisiku

as i said the problem which i have is presumably only with VU boxes in conjunction with the Sky DE module.

so I believe that everything is going absolutely right for you - you don't have this constellation like I do here.

 

 

regards

Pike

[mimisiku]

I use a VU+Ultimo4K which is fully occupied! 

[Pike_Bishop]

yes ok but not with a ciplus modul from sky de.

 

@littlesat

slowzap didn't help, the ciplus problem wiith vu and sky de module remains stubborn.

 

 

regards

Pike

[littlesat]

Maybe you need to config it right… and please also be aware that a ci+ most likely only encrypts one channel

[Pike_Bishop]

i configured it for 2 hours always testing in all different ways and it didn't help.

yes i know that the module can decrypt only one channel at a time.

 

 

regards

Pike

[mimisiku]

yes ok but not with a ciplus modul from sky de.

(Un)fortunately SKY is not available in my country so no NDS (CI+) module in my possession.

[Pike_Bishop]

I've given up in the meantime, i'm now only using OpenATV-7.x alone on the VU Ultimo 4K, because there are also always problems with the vu multiboot here.

 

 

regards

Pike

Edited by Pike_Bishop, 14 May 2023 - 17:45.

[littlesat]

Here no issues with multiboot…

[Pike_Bishop]

The new VU Multiboot worked well here for a few days, but today the box failed to boot up again several times in a row and I saw a strange screen on the TV.

I had already seen this ca. two weeks or so ago at the beginning when VU Multiboot was still brand new.

It's possible that I have this problem because I have an active hub with a power supply unit on each of the two USB-3 ports and a total of

2 external USB disks and a USB stick.

 

But whether this is really the problem I won't find out so quickly because I have now played enough with VU Multiboot.

(approx. 2 weeks with all possible tests)

here the pictures from the strange screen on the TV;

 

 20230514_140234.jpg   49.29KB   4 downloads

 

 20230514_140324.jpg   58.21KB   3 downloads

 

as you can see it's a blue picture with left/right thick black bars.

Edited by Pike_Bishop, 14 May 2023 - 18:01.

[WanWizard]

Never seen that before, no problems with VU+ multiboot stability here as well.

[mimisiku]

And the photo shows a Gigablue box, not a VU+

[Pike_Bishop]

yes, you can see a Gigablue Trio in the photo, but the Vu is also close by, only you can't see it in the picture, so it's about the VU Ultimo 4K.

so please do not jump to conclusions.

 

@WanWizard,

i also never seen this picture before vu multiboot. it is with Image OpenATV-7.3 in Slot R, maybe it's different if i use PLI in Slot R

but as i said it's maybe because of my usb 3 disks at the active usb 3 hubs

Edited by Pike_Bishop, 14 May 2023 - 19:33.

[Frenske]

I can confirm having seen the blue screen during booting. But after a short time the image continues to boot and the chosen image works ok.

I have the latest NB as second image in the Multiboot in slot 2, OpenVix in slot 1 and OpenBH in slot 3. The “recovery image” is a slightly older NB.

[littlesat]

The dark blue screen is the standard for kexec. During a reboot seeing it for a few secs is expected behavior. But it should continue with booting a real image…. When something does not break that and due to there is no real recovery machanism working this implementation it is possible you need to ensure to boot via slot 0 via an external usb stick that has a specific file on the stick and when that does not help you need to reflash an image for slot 0 and start all over again. What breaks or might corrupted it we do not know but it can happen.
In addition. regarding the ci+ with slowzap plugin you should be able to solve it when you properly config that plugin.