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@doglover

Thanks. However this is not a solution. It is not about single box and configuration of single user. But problem as @azman created is affecting all users that had those channels for many years. I cannot manage someone else boxes constantly or force them to use something that is unpredictable. We can not predict what will be gone next, that makes is bad in many levels.

No reflection from the troublemaker. He didn't even have the dignity to reply, even when I had to expose his lack of knowledge, and pointed to a forum thread that he hadn't even bothered to read.

Community rules are very important for any community based project. This is not private as you exist in a large project, so words like “my EPG sources„ or "I read something unrelated and I chose that despite reason" are not accepted here. The part I don't like about open projects is that often there will be someone who will abuse the trust of other people who have been committing for many years. If it is through lack of competence or preparation for something worse, like capitalising on the work of others, it should not happen. No private support or making money out of public work, that is disgusting.

This situation convinced me that years ago I should not get involved here and make my own sources insted, but I decided to support the community for the benefit of all without any private intress. And now someone is trying to take that away from the community by private issues. No improvements have been made by @azman, just a lot of setbacks. It creates a toxic atmosphere when rules are ignored and we don't know what the ultimate goal is.

This is a public discussion in a place where I've created IPTV entries for EPG, and I'm going to write publicly because it doesn't just affect me, but many more people who have been using these IPTV services for many years. At least try to respect that.

First of all, my EPG sources are divided into several categories.

How is that relevant here? Stick to the problem you created with IPTV. You talk about a lot of irrelevant things, but nothing about the relevant ones. That means you are avoiding the subject. I'm very precise, but you're not. This means I must often remind you where the problem you caused is.

Once again, I have to explain something fundamental. For example, a channel can be associated with more than one reference value. It is because of the copy of the channel or the medium that is provided. I'm concentrating on IPTV channels, not DVB-T channels, not satellite channels or cable channels.

You claim to be reading something, but you don't understand the basics, which leads to more misunderstandings. You claim that you are trying to apply something that doesn't apply here. There is no organisation that systemizes IPTV on E2. That is what is @doglover talking about "nothing is standard about IPTV", so nomenclature is within guildlines on this forum as our goal. Start reading this forum to understand the conventions adopted here, not something else completly unrelated. Although many post are most likly gone by now but this important one is still here.

I introduced a sequence of refference names for PL IPTV many years ago in accordance to those guindlines. Not only those 16, but much more like that.

You do not like that there is 48 in refference, it has a deeper meaning but to simplify it to you READ FORUM. It is easy to find this information here and that is self explanatory. Hovewer if you think thats not enough then I will expand that. It is an artibrarty value as specified thats allow to provide more than one reference without conflict for specific country. Methodical order, when you apply systematics to something undescribed before, as a preventative measure to never worry about, not assingning to some random stuff you think you found. Without it is is only haos.

You have clearly been using more of my references over the years, you were active back then, even using the E-chanalizer program that I recommended to you many years ago when it was a free tool, so you should not be surprised how they were created. Why didn't you protested back then when I introduced more IPTV servises publicly with EPG, I remembeer you being optimistic about it. And as a reminder we are talking here about legal links from public or privat brodcasters and associated with it references that is is also Important criterion here. I can understand that the passage of time may have clouded your memory. This was accepted in the sources after my entry and confiramtion that is fulfilling criteria, and has been used by many people for several years, so you can't just delete it mindlesly. About using picons, look at the picture and try to spot the difference if you think it is the same picture.
https://postimg.cc/8jp0dNct
I will ommit so called paid IPTV providers as it is against a rules here and how alternative services work in E2 as well.

It's so hard for you to understand.

I understand that it is harder for you to add back the 16 reference than to admit your mistake. A typical symptom of stubbornness is when you make a mistake and take no responsibility for it, claiming it is fine, when in reality it is very bad.
Add those refference back, that solves the problem.

<!-- IPTV --><channel id="TVP3Białystok.pl">4097:0:1:7:0:48:0:0:0:0:http%3a//</channel><!-- TVP 3 Białystok -->
<!-- IPTV --><channel id="TVP3Bydgoszcz.pl">4097:0:1:8:0:48:0:0:0:0:http%3a//</channel><!-- TVP 3 Bydgoszcz -->
<!-- IPTV --><channel id="TVP3Gdańsk.pl">4097:0:1:9:0:48:0:0:0:0:http%3a//</channel><!-- TVP 3 Gdańsk -->
<!-- IPTV --><channel id="TVP3GorzówWielkopolski.pl">4097:0:1:10:0:48:0:0:0:0:http%3a//</channel><!-- TVP 3 Gorzów -->
<!-- IPTV --><channel id="TVP3Katowice.pl">4097:0:1:11:0:48:0:0:0:0:http%3a//</channel><!-- TVP 3 Katowice -->
<!-- IPTV --><channel id="TVP3Kielce.pl">4097:0:1:12:0:48:0:0:0:0:http%3a//</channel><!-- TVP 3 Kielce -->
<!-- IPTV --><channel id="TVP3Kraków.pl">4097:0:1:13:0:48:0:0:0:0:http%3a//</channel><!-- TVP 3 Kraków -->
<!-- IPTV --><channel id="TVP3Łódź.pl">4097:0:1:15:0:48:0:0:0:0:http%3a//</channel><!-- TVP 3 Łódź -->
<!-- IPTV --><channel id="TVP3Lublin.pl">4097:0:1:14:0:48:0:0:0:0:http%3a//</channel><!-- TVP 3 Lublin -->
<!-- IPTV --><channel id="TVP3Olsztyn.pl">4097:0:1:16:0:48:0:0:0:0:http%3a//</channel><!-- TVP 3 Olsztyn -->
<!-- IPTV --><channel id="TVP3Opole.pl">4097:0:1:17:0:48:0:0:0:0:http%3a//</channel><!-- TVP 3 Opole -->
<!-- IPTV --><channel id="TVP3Poznań.pl">4097:0:1:18:0:48:0:0:0:0:http%3a//</channel><!-- TVP 3 Poznań -->
<!-- IPTV --><channel id="TVP3Rzeszów.pl">4097:0:1:19:0:48:0:0:0:0:http%3a//</channel><!-- TVP 3 Rzeszów -->
<!-- IPTV --><channel id="TVP3Szczecin.pl">4097:0:1:20:0:48:0:0:0:0:http%3a//</channel><!-- TVP 3 Szczecin -->
<!-- IPTV --><channel id="TVP3Warszawa.pl">4097:0:1:21:0:48:0:0:0:0:http%3a//</channel><!-- TVP 3 Warszawa -->
<!-- IPTV --><channel id="TVP3Wrocław.pl">4097:0:1:22:0:48:0:0:0:0:http%3a//</channel><!-- TVP 3 Wrocław -->

Still a valid list than can be found on forum with active LINKS

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It is very rare those time to find IPTV that permanent, without links changed through the years. But smaller private brodcasters often go on and off in short time.
 

You have a big problem because I changed the references for these dozen or so channels. And how the references of satellite channels change because they were transferred to another transponder, you also make such a storm.

Again, I am not talking about satellite or cable, so that sentence of yours makes no sense. I'm talking about specific IPTV channels, not a dosen more, so your misslead attempt is clearly visible.

We all have a problem. We already don't have a correct EPG because you have removed correctly defined IPTV entries for no reason, that is one of mistakes you have made. It is easy to point them out to you as there are many. Now you refuse to acknolage your mistake and refuse to fix it because of what, some of your personal issues. What will you do next? What will you delete?

You took over the responsibility of maintaining EPG sources from @doglover, that also include keeping guidlines addoptet here, your words and actions only prove that you cannot handle it and you are slowly killing those sources in the process. Why did you do that in the first place if it looks like your goal is to kill the sources? I don't know what your agenda is but it is clear to me that you are creating more damage this way. Then it is better for you not to deal with EPG at all. If that means no EPG at all, then so be it. Whether you kill it slowly or quickly, the end result is the same. But as I wrote at the beginning, this doesn't just affect me, it affects a lot of people, and that's another thing you're ignoring.

So you are delebetry braking the sources for no reason, which makes them unusable. That is even worse.

If you don't know what you're doing and you do something anyway, you often get problems like this.
You also have a problem with witch counting, it is not 10 channels, it is 16 channels, because that is the correct number of regional channels. You posted a list of unrelated channels, which seems to be difficult for you to understand that fact

This is not a regional channel if you want an example. It is irreleventr here.

<!-- IPTV --><channel id="Перший.pl">4097:0:16:5F:7001:2268:EEEE0000:0:0:0:http%3a//</channel><!-- UA Perszyj →

And you marking DVB-T channels as IPTV entries, thats is another error, that should be a seperet definition. There is a reason for this distinction. You may not understand it.

Do it right, or give up on doing it at all and just say the sources are dead.

Now it dosen't work that way it is is wrong now, it is not a corrention. You just deleted correct references. Add a second refference for DVB-T, but never delete refference that are activley in use from 6 years now. Since I introduced them. Those refeference were seperate as for IPTV services from many important reasons for example a seprete picon. Links are still valid and not geoblocked, so they are also listed in sepret therd on forum here. You also posting not releted channles that are irrelevent here. Just corrent it.

No EPG on any of regional TVP 3 channels, please fix it.

It was working many years flawless.