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TigTex

Member Since 26 May 2012
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In Topic: OpenPLi 3.0: from alpha to beta status....

25 September 2012 - 00:05

I perfectly agree and I'm sure that openpli3.0 is the right thing to do!
Over here, a clone of dm800se is about 169 euros and the original is 460 euro. If you only earn 440 euros month (minimal payment here) it's a little hard to pay that price for a genuine box if a cloned box does the same and costs half so I understand why some people buy clones.
And like i've said, I know that enigma uses the same code on 2.1 and 3.0, which means that it's even easier to mantain a 2.1 build for a couple of months while people don't migrate completely to 3.0.
Also, I know that you aren't "killing the clones" just because you want. It's because the dvb modules are binaries that came from dmm and can't be changed. If they make them, we use them, there's no reason to use older versions.
But remember, like kelsinni said, people with clones can perfectly use 2.1, but they can't use 3.0 for now. And those with clones will stop using openpli, you will loose a big amount of users by not building some 2.1 images for a couple more of months.
I'm not even concerned about people with clones, I'm concerned is that this images stop loosing popularity over others with lower quality because of a decision that the team took too soon.
If one decicion of not building openpli2.1 is because of legal issues, using the same logic openpli 3.0 can't also be built because people can use your images to watch paid tv for free with software on your servers...

OpenPLi isn't dead, but the 2.1 version is if there are no more regular updates

In Topic: OpenPLi 3.0: from alpha to beta status....

24 September 2012 - 19:43


....oscam, cccam and cam's are illegal everywhere ....

That's where you are wrong.


Well that was completely offtopic... here in portugal you have to play every month for every single box that you have from your tv company, and each one uses 1 card, you can't share 1 single card over multiple boxes on the same house, it's illegal here because the tv company charges extra money if you have more tv's and i've also said after -> (because noone uses them to share 1 card over the same house but to share them to the world...). So all I was saying that 99% of the people use cam's to do illegal activities. It was just to prove a point. for example, openpli provides cam's on their servers (that are mostly used for illegal activities) but don't provide an openpli2.1 build to people that find openpli3.0 too much unstable or need to use software compatible only with 2.1 because they are concerned that openpli2.1 might be used on clones and that's illegal. It's as easy as keeping the buildbot running and building more openpli2.1 images for more a couple of months until openpli3 get's mature enough. If they don't do it, people will start doing home made builds and if they find bugs, they can't report them because they aren't using an "official" openpli build, even if the bug is present on the current 3.0 git
This is just a suggestion/opinion, nothing more

In Topic: OpenPLi 3.0: from alpha to beta status....

24 September 2012 - 15:38

Of course, but in many countries it's not illegal. oscam, cccam and cam's are illegal everywhere (because noone uses them to share 1 card over the same house but to share them to the world...) and you still provide daily builds on your servers and how-to guides. My point is, by having a cam on your server doesn't mean that that software will be used to illegal activities all around the world. The same with openpli2.1.
I've seen some reports of people that use 2.1 because of strange bugs with 3.0, because of older plugin support or just because they want the older kernel (less modules, lower overhead, more optimized). Building and giving openpli2.1 on your servers doesn't necessary mean that you are supporting "clones" and illegal activity, it only means that you are giving to the user the ability to choose between OE1.6 or 2.0 (stability vs cutting edge software)
Of course openpli3.0 is the way to go, but while it doesn't get mature enough, please keep building openpli2.1 nightlies and everyone will be happy

In Topic: OpenPLi 3.0: from alpha to beta status....

24 September 2012 - 15:09

I hope is not the last one...
Remember one thing. I know that openpli doesn't suport clones, only original DM, but you have to know that most of clone boxes that i've seen come preinstalled with openpli because of it's community, licenses and wide opensource code.
As some of you know, for clones to work, bcm****.ko needs to be patched and there are no patches for kernel 3.2 (openpli3.0), there are only patches for 2.6.18 (openpli2.1). So, by forcing everyone with 2.1 to upgrade to 3.0 to have minor improvements (it's the same enigma version) you are going to kill all the clones. Remember that the clone market is also huge compared to the original dmm boxes. With this change, openpli2.1 will stop getting updates and that will make thousands of users to leave openpli for other images.
Keeping openpli2.1 images is as simple as leaving the buildbot running like it were before openpli3.0 left the alpha version.
I also know that probably the admins will tell me "we do not support clones and never will, it's the owners problem, buy genuine only!". I perfectly understand that. But why do you want to loose a huge amount of openpli users just because you don't want to build a couple more of images every night?
Please, think about it.

(ps, i'm a genuine dm user, but not everyone has money to buy genuine hardware)