1)icam(zap service)
Not need use userbouquet .ciefp_19e_skyde_icam.tv and etc icam bouquets.
Use Channel selector/menu/Play service with streamrelay for services SKY DE.
Thank you for your reply i understand that i can do this along with the channels on 28.2e, but this fault has been around for a very long time, long before the option to use a standard channel list became available. The 2nd issue with not playing channels via the web if i think is linked to the first issue and is something to do with the tuner being busy. I know openbh has the same issue and they found the solution and issued a update. To be fair to openbh the fault with the webif not playing was not known to them either. For anyone reading this thread please see that i am not having a go at anyone i am only giving a little feed back to help your team make images better and i am very thank full to those who give their time.