OK after much editing I have it mostly sorted
BBC2 for my VU+ is
4440:0cfdace7:1000:0001:25:0
BBC Two HD
p:BBC,c:0017d5,c:0317d5,c:1217d6,c:050001,c:0917d90101,C:2600,f:05
So just the difference from f:400 and f:05 sorted it
Just have to sort Red Button and Film4+1 and CBBC
Many thanks for your help