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[gorski]

My suggestion:

 

1) T90 with 4 LNBs

2) 4 in 1 switch

3) coax cable going to the main STB

4) Remote channel stream converter because

5) all the house is connected via CAT5 LAN cables.

 

Remote channel stream converter works well here. It is simple and it gets the channel list and even gets the EPG from the main tuner. I think I remember well the issues. Correct me if I am wrong...

 

Did I misunderstand in terms of how many STBs he has?

Edited by gorski, 10 December 2018 - 20:38.

[gorski]

One question remains, of course: whether those 8 tuners in the Vu+ are accessible in a discriminatory fashion, from each client STB...

 

If so, then I have the cheapest solution for you, using the plugin I mentioned, I think...

[GThomas]

not all that many candidates:

 

Johansson:

 

9760/9760D/9760I

9762

 

Spaun:

 

SUS 41F/F2/F3

 

Triax:

 

TUM 1743C

TUM 1783C

 

Am i reading correctly that Triax will have only 4 or 8 userbands? 

 

Also, important note:

 

when i set manufacturer of switch to ROTEK and try to change model- system crashes..  I`m doing my best not to call it GSOD as technically it isnt. box simply reboots.

 

next step: check frequencies(userbands/SCR) for above switches, find matching inverto (i dont want to reprogram switches)

[GThomas]

cant edit post, so here it comes:

 

Inverto:

SCR1-1210

SCR2- 1420

SCR3 - 1680

SCR4 - 2040

SCR5 - 984

SCR6 - 1020

SCR7 - 1056

SCR8 - 1092

 

Johanssen- all mentioned above:

 

SCR1 - 1280

SCR2 - 1382

SCR3 - 1484

 

and nothing more?

 

Spaun, both models:

 

SCR1 - 1076

SCR2 - 1178

SCR3 - 1280

SCR4 - 1382

 

and nothing more...

 

Triax, both models:

 

SCR1 - 1280

SCR2 - 1382

SCR3 - 1484

 

nothing more, matches Johanssen..

 

Im in trouble.. I`m in trouble...

[gorski]

Perhaps a simpler solution might be OK, in the end?

Can you use this and save:

https://www.digital-devices.eu/shop/en/accessories/unicable-multiswitch-and-lnbs/259/inverto-unicable-programmer-for-unicable-ii-lnb-and-multischalter-idlu-prog01-ooooo-opp?c=177

Inverto Unicable Programmer for Unicable II LNB...

In this offer you will receive the device for borrowing. The rental fee is 15, - per week (7 days). When you purchase the unit from us, you can return this to us within 2 weeks. You will then receive the deposit price / purchase price...

 

€121.85 *

[GThomas]

got something new..

and i dont quite understand it..

 

13E config as above, few posts up, and in that i have userbands as per inverto one post up, and option of position:1/2

same for 28.2E

 

but under settings for 19.2E, even though i have exactly same model (IDLU-UWT110-CUO10-32PP) chosen, i have no option to change position, and also userbands look different:

 

SCR1 - 1076

SCR2 - 1178

SCR3 - 1280

SCR4 - 1382

SCR5 - 1484

SCR6 - 1586

SCR7 - 1688

SCR8 - 1790

 

of course theres more, but i`m only interested in first 8.

 

I`m getting lost now..

thesres something seriously wrong there

[GThomas]

 

Perhaps a simpler solution might be OK, in the end?

Can you use this and save:

https://www.digital-devices.eu/shop/en/accessories/unicable-multiswitch-and-lnbs/259/inverto-unicable-programmer-for-unicable-ii-lnb-and-multischalter-idlu-prog01-ooooo-opp?c=177

Inverto Unicable Programmer for Unicable II LNB...

In this offer you will receive the device for borrowing. The rental fee is 15, - per week (7 days). When you purchase the unit from us, you can return this to us within 2 weeks. You will then receive the deposit price / purchase price...

 

€121.85 *

 

I just bought these switches, combiners and programmer from You Sent to London.

You (or your colegaue) were asking why do i even need programmer if switches come preprogrammed, my answer was "just in case"- well.. seems like this "just in case" is happening now

[gorski]

Nowt to do with me, m8...

[gorski]

I repeat my Q, though:

 

"One question remains, of course: whether those 8 tuners in the Vu+ are accessible in a discriminatory fashion, from each client STB (via Remote channel stream converter plugin from a client STB)...??"

[GThomas]

ah.. ok..

misinterpreted your post.

 

sorry.

 

point is- i do have that programmer.

if i will have to- i will use it.

 

but right now i dont see a good reason for it, switches seem to be programmed OK, it looks like box cannot send correct command for position 3..

 

I`m not bright enough to reprogram the box (OpenPli itself)

[GThomas]

I repeat my Q, though:

 

"One question remains, of course: whether those 8 tuners in the Vu+ are accessible in a discriminatory fashion, from each client STB (via Remote channel stream converter plugin from a client STB)...??"

no client STBs as such.

 

instead there will be 8 streams to either KODI (2 of) or mobile phones/tablets, etc (dreamplayer and similar)

 

so no client will have any use of tuner by itself, the whole management of tuners will be done by VU+

[gorski]

I thought you said he had 4 STBs?

[GThomas]

????

 

cant recall such a thing

 

only one STB- VU+ Uno4Kse, and streams to other devices.

 

the multiswitches- these can manage up to 4 positions...

 

but i cant recall mentioning number "4" in relation to anything else

[gorski]

Sorry, I merged 3 similar threads into one, I think...

 

Went back and found this: "distributed over at least 4 TV receivers, with ability to watch any desired channel from any satellite at any time and on any TV."

 

Close but not quite "it" I guess... Or did it mean 4STBs after all, even if it meant DVB-S tuners in TVs?

 

Never seen the Vu+ with that tuner:  how does it control what is sent where, can you get a screenshot, please?

 

"the whole management of tuners will be done by VU+"

 

Have you seen the plugin I mentioned? It does give a client STB without coax (but with LAN) easy access from unused tuners in the house, which have coax.

 

Problem would be to discern which tuners are not used or to tie it up to a specific client STB. Btw, very capable STBs are now very cheap. I still think, given LAN connectivity all round the house, this might be a simple and elegant solution, if these STBs can be given exclusive access to specific tuners, i.e. in a discriminatory manner...

Edited by gorski, 10 December 2018 - 22:14.

[WanWizard]

You don't want to tie up a tuner to a remote device, as you lose the flexibility of the FBC tuner module. Recording for example might become a problem.

 

As to the configuration, as far as I understood, you need to configure a user band per tuner, so each tuner can talk to the switch (and/or the LNB). If you have multiple positions, you need to define a user band per tuner for each of these postions (so SCR1-8 for position A, SCR9-17 for position B, etc). And you need to have programmed your environment to match this mapping.

[gorski]

I hope I understand, thanx WW...

 

On the other hand, this is what I meant with the simple plugin solution (if it is all sorted out at the Vu+ main, "server" STB)...

 

Images are from the client STB and as you can see it has the whole list and EPG from the server STB...

 

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Edited by gorski, 10 December 2018 - 22:31.

[WanWizard]

That is the same as using the fallback tuner, but without a plugin. Not relevant in this case, as the streaming clients are not Enigma boxes.

[gorski]

...but that's my point - if it is so complicated and can't be done or if it is too expensive - this might be the solution, so it is relevant if...

[WanWizard]

This goes a bit in circles, hence my remark that you should read up.

 

The requirement of having only one Enigma box to serve many concurrent streams and recordings can only be filled-in with an FBC/Unicable setup.

 

It is not really complicated, but you have to let go of the way a legacy shared/switched system works, in a Unicable setup each tuner has it's own dedicated "channel" (the user band) to each orbital position, from a device point of view, the notion of switching or LNB quadrants don't exist. 

[GThomas]

I`m soooo in trouble now....

 

 

https://www.vuplus-s...-wideband-lnbs/

 

 

edit:

 

or maybe not.. i`m reading trough, seems that changing setting in unicable.xml may still work

Edited by GThomas, 10 December 2018 - 23:30.