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Re: Enigma2 and BBC/ITV at 27.5W Intelsat - a big challenge #1681 lespat

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Posted 1 September 2021 - 15:40

I know this is an OpenPli site but I use a Linux box (Zgemma H7S) with Openvix which works well for me.  Took a bit of sussing, but got there in the end. Also have a few non linux boxes that work well on 27.5W.



Re: Enigma2 and BBC/ITV at 27.5W Intelsat - a big challenge #1682 Huevos

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Posted 2 September 2021 - 08:20

 

I find the easiest way is to setup the dish on Hispisat 30W and get a picture, then rotate the dish back towards 27.5W until the picture freezes.  This should put you close enough to find a signal to setup 27.5W (11495v.) to then be able to fine tune.  Works for me although I did find that a 50cm dish was borderline in Spain and Portugal so normally used a 60cm in good weather and 80cm to cope with rain fade.  I used different dishes when traveling with the Motorhome

Thanks lespat. Theorically, the flat panels like Selfsat have a similar behaviour to 50-60cm dishes, but there is not a lot information on the net... I'll post my results!

 

No chance with that dish.



Re: Enigma2 and BBC/ITV at 27.5W Intelsat - a big challenge #1683 bloke76

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Posted 2 September 2021 - 10:13

Very interesting setup, I always thought of getting a selfsat flat panel but dont think it will work, I am on an 80cm dish here in Germany and still have issues when there is rain.

Let us know how you get on!



Re: Enigma2 and BBC/ITV at 27.5W Intelsat - a big challenge #1684 v12nut

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Posted 2 September 2021 - 12:43

I know this is an OpenPli site but I use a Linux box (Zgemma H7S) with Openvix which works well for me.  Took a bit of sussing, but got there in the end. Also have a few non linux boxes that work well on 27.5W.

I use a zgemma h9 dual boot with openPli and vix but by far the simplest box setup is one of those cheap GTmedia v8 boxes, truly plug and play !



Re: Enigma2 and BBC/ITV at 27.5W Intelsat - a big challenge #1685 SCSSSD

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Posted 2 September 2021 - 14:56

@Huevos
How can you be so sure about that? According to Satbeams, 60cms is enough to my geographical location. And, on the other hand, selfsat confirms that HD30 panels perform as 60cm parabolic antennas.

Re: Enigma2 and BBC/ITV at 27.5W Intelsat - a big challenge #1686 Frenske

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Posted 2 September 2021 - 15:36

@SCSSSD
I disagree that the sensitivity of the Selfsat is equal to a 50-60 cm dish.

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Re: Enigma2 and BBC/ITV at 27.5W Intelsat - a big challenge #1687 Huevos

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Posted 2 September 2021 - 19:08

@SCSSSD
Because I live in Spain and to get a reasonable signal I need at least a 90cm dish.

Re: Enigma2 and BBC/ITV at 27.5W Intelsat - a big challenge #1688 v12nut

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Posted 2 September 2021 - 23:41

@Huevos
Where are you located? I am in Asturias and get a reasonable signal with an 80cm dish.

Edited by Frenske, 3 September 2021 - 10:49.
Removed the repeated quotes. No need to keep quoting if you reply on a previous post.


Re: Enigma2 and BBC/ITV at 27.5W Intelsat - a big challenge #1689 Huevos

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Posted 3 September 2021 - 07:44

@V12nut
If you need an 80cm and I need a 90cm (further south and east) it is unlikely that a flat panel that doesn't have the reception of a 50cm dish is ever going to work.
 
In the satellite world there is nothing worse than a dish that is too small.

Re: Enigma2 and BBC/ITV at 27.5W Intelsat - a big challenge #1690 SCSSSD

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Posted 3 September 2021 - 10:22

But that means that Selfsat panels are supposed to be equal to 40cm antennas? Let me doubt that... The commercial penetration of such a small antennas is very low because even pointing to the massive Astra 1A in Europe needs 50cm, so I hardly believe that Selfsat put in the market a useless product. Plus, they have a pretty decent commercial success. Anyways, this chat would end with the results, I will post them! :-)



Re: Enigma2 and BBC/ITV at 27.5W Intelsat - a big challenge #1691 SCSSSD

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Posted 4 September 2021 - 12:21

Greetings from cloudy northern Spain!

 

Success! Never underestimate the fine tuning of an old qrp radio amateur practitioner B)

 

To prove it, find below a video i uploaded to youtube showing the signal levels. Nothing massive, but considering the poor conditions -holding the antenna with my hands and no mount installed, I think we can consider this a success. Obviously the GTMedia meter can't get any proper signal in 27,5ºw but it

 

https://www.youtube....bed/QPR3gZESnPU


Edited by SCSSSD, 4 September 2021 - 12:22.


Re: Enigma2 and BBC/ITV at 27.5W Intelsat - a big challenge #1692 Huevos

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Posted 4 September 2021 - 12:44

Greetings from cloudy northern Spain!

 

Success! Never underestimate the fine tuning of an old qrp radio amateur practitioner B)

 

To prove it, find below a video i uploaded to youtube showing the signal levels. Nothing massive, but considering the poor conditions -holding the antenna with my hands and no mount installed, I think we can consider this a success. Obviously the GTMedia meter can't get any proper signal in 27,5ºw but it

 

https://www.youtube....bed/QPR3gZESnPU

That's a joke, right? LOL.



Re: Enigma2 and BBC/ITV at 27.5W Intelsat - a big challenge #1693 SCSSSD

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Posted 4 September 2021 - 13:54

Nooo! You had no faith in me huh? :D Let me set up the antenna in the final location and (hoefully) the vu+ with all the stuff for the BISS channels, and will send pic of the BBCs! BTW, I'll probably need you to help me out working the BISS configuration


Edited by SCSSSD, 4 September 2021 - 13:56.


Re: Enigma2 and BBC/ITV at 27.5W Intelsat - a big challenge #1694 antrabe

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Posted 23 September 2021 - 21:39

its possible on gigablue trio 4k?



Re: Enigma2 and BBC/ITV at 27.5W Intelsat - a big challenge #1695 twol

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Posted 24 September 2021 - 14:21

its possible on gigablue trio 4k?

Should be possible on any E2 receiver with an up-to-date image and the correct configs


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------------------> GT-SAT unicable lnb to 1.5M dish(28.2E)
------------------> Gigablue unicable lnb to 80 cm dish(19.2E)

Octagon sf8008, AX HD61, Edision Osmio 4K+, Zgemma H9Combo using Legacy ports on multiswitches
Zgemma H9twin & Zgemma H9 C/S mode into Giga4K
 


Re: Enigma2 and BBC/ITV at 27.5W Intelsat - a big challenge #1696 antrabe

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Posted 24 September 2021 - 16:20

I got it works years ago un vu and dream8000 but i dont know if something change. Where are the files and how to

 

thanks



Re: Enigma2 and BBC/ITV at 27.5W Intelsat - a big challenge #1697 tiru

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Posted 18 November 2021 - 13:54

 

Search Re: Enigma2 and BBC / ITV at 27.5 W Intelsat - big challenge # 1601
There you have a file.zip

 

 

It's missing the dvb subtitles pids, but it's just a matter of adding a "c:09xxxx0101" (where xxxx is the video pid + 4).

Also, there's an error in the BBC FOUR definition (not a biggie since it's the same as cbeebies) and some channels don't work (but I think it's because they are not available on the transponder, looking for the available channels on the web I only seems to find outdated information):

 

  • 5 SELECT
  • BBC ALBA
  • BBC FOUR HD
  • BBC RB 0
  • BBC RB 1
  • BBC Red Button
  • BBC Scotland (but BBC scot works)
  • BBC Scotland HD
  • BBC THREE
  • BBC Three HD
  • CBBC HD
  • More4+1
  • STV HD
  • TBN UK
  • UTV HD


Re: Enigma2 and BBC/ITV at 27.5W Intelsat - a big challenge #1698 tiru

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Posted 22 November 2021 - 12:49

Does anybody know why these channels are impossible to stream?

I tried both with vlc, mplayer and the enigma2 plugin for kodi and I cannot see them, only on the tv directly connected to the receiver.

I also tried a recording and, again, the ts file is unplayable, but if I transcode it with ffmpeg (just ffmpeg -i unplayablefile.ts playablefile.mkv) I can play it.



Re: Enigma2 and BBC/ITV at 27.5W Intelsat - a big challenge #1699 sleepy

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Posted 22 November 2021 - 13:23

Does anybody know why these channels are impossible to stream?

They can be streamed. I do it all the time not differently respect to the other channels. I could even when using the script method, which now is not needed any more, since OpenPLI (and most receiver) can now handle these channels off the shelf. It may depend on the configuration of your receiver. Maybe giving more details someone (probably not me!) can help you better.

I tried both with vlc, mplayer and the enigma2 plugin for kodi and I cannot see them, only on the tv directly connected to the receiver. I also tried a recording and, again, the ts file is unplayable

BBC Channels are also in my opinion sometimes a bit more difficult to be played. It must be a problem of codec used and installed on your PC. I can play them without conversion in one PC and not in another, nominally having the same configuration. Of course it cannot be the same, but this is what I though I had done in the course of the years. Try MPV. It works in cases others did not. Works really fine also on Android. But, again, I can install it on a Linux PC and not in another with the same OS version and twin installation. GO figure! :( Cheers!

Re: Enigma2 and BBC/ITV at 27.5W Intelsat - a big challenge #1700 tiru

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Posted 23 November 2021 - 19:22

They can be streamed. I do it all the time not differently respect to the other channels. I could even when using the script method, which now is not needed any more, since OpenPLI (and most receiver) can now handle these channels off the shelf. It may depend on the configuration of your receiver. Maybe giving more details someone (probably not me!) can help you better.

I have to confess I'm not using openpli but openatv 7 :huh: I'm quite new to the enigma2 world, I thought that, apart from the branding and skin, they were more or less the same, but now I compared both enigma2 sources on github and I see there are many differences, I didn't check if they could be relevant to the issue at hand.

Besides, on the openatv forum didn't get much help, because, encryption!

Anyway I now found that I can stream these channels if I use the transcoding link from the webif, maybe because it's remuxing the streams instead of sending them as they were?

BTW, what is the "script" method?


Edited by tiru, 23 November 2021 - 19:22.



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