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Re: Multituner: First commits - but they need a lot of improvements #61 littlesat

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Posted 5 March 2019 - 09:22

Do you mean hotswitchable is overdetecting now?

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Re: Multituner: First commits - but they need a lot of improvements #62 ims

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Posted 5 March 2019 - 09:28

Do you mean hotswitchable is overdetecting now?

 

I write about it, that all my 2168 tuners are configurable for all modes in same time now and when I enable DVB-T (what I am usingonly), I must restart gui, because without it tuner not works. Disabling this tuners work immediatelly. Thats all..


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Re: Multituner: First commits - but they need a lot of improvements #63 zeros

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Posted 5 March 2019 - 10:07

Here no restart needed for that! Tested several times with several flash (also with clean flash with todays build for dm920, but it use the same enigma2). Just for info.
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Re: Multituner: First commits - but they need a lot of improvements #64 littlesat

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Posted 5 March 2019 - 10:10

I just limited the detection for hotswitchable so it does not overdetect anymore (but might underdetect now). Sounds adhoik and I need to find a better way what tuners are hotswitchable.

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Re: Multituner: First commits - but they need a lot of improvements #65 WanWizard

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Posted 5 March 2019 - 11:44

The SAB Alpha as an Si216x, which is not hotswitchable, the Amiko Viper doesn't say which tuner it has, but it is also not hotswitchable.

 

And may I say for the record that from an English language point of view, "hotswitchable" is a horrible word?


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Re: Multituner: First commits - but they need a lot of improvements #66 MCelliotG

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Posted 5 March 2019 - 12:26

In my understanding hotswitchable should refer to multitype tuners that change their type automatically without the user having to configure the type from the tuner settings, in contrast to switchable that has to be configured each time, since not all types can work simultaneously, am I correct? In this case hotswitchable could be referred as auto multitype I guess?

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Re: Multituner: First commits - but they need a lot of improvements #67 WanWizard

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Posted 5 March 2019 - 12:33

Correct. I haven't found a good word for it that is not too long, is translatable, and makes it clear what exactly it is.

 

Also, I wonder if, in the information page, it is important to know that it is a "multitype tuner with dynamic switching capability", it doesn't have any added value imho.


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Re: Multituner: First commits - but they need a lot of improvements #68 ims

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Posted 5 March 2019 - 12:54

For me is 'hotswitchable' very problematic for translating. And leave it as untranslated is wrong too...


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Re: Multituner: First commits - but they need a lot of improvements #69 WanWizard

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Posted 5 March 2019 - 12:59

Just updated my Amiko Viper.

 

It too now has a "hotswitchable" tuner according to Enigma (which it hasn't), and I can't get my DVB-T reception back. So the detection mechanism is seriously flawed.

 

edit: I see it was changed this morning from "all hybrid tuners are hot switchable" to "all AVL hybrid tuners are hot switchable", which I think is not true either...


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Re: Multituner: First commits - but they need a lot of improvements #70 littlesat

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Posted 5 March 2019 - 13:18

The over detection is already solved as you already discovered. hotswitchable is in fact a good word.. but we could consider to change it to auto multi tuner... and then describe it to dvb-s2/T2/c-ATSC auto or so... that it is not translatable is cosmetic... but we can ‘drive’ it to a better direction. Adhoik, Wte and I did found a better naming for it ... but now at least openpli has the only correct implementation for these kind of tuners...

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Re: Multituner: First commits - but they need a lot of improvements #71 WanWizard

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Posted 5 March 2019 - 13:29

Technically it may be a good word, but descriptively, it isn't. And as it is a technical term, you can't translate it.

 

The OSmini+ has an FTM-4862 (which is an Availink AVL6862), which is a true dynamic hybrid tuner.

 

I want so suggest to hardcode specific tuners instead of assume all Availink hybrid tuners are true dynamic hybrid tuners, better one tuner missed, than user complaints because their tuner doesn't work anymore due to incorrect detection.


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Re: Multituner: First commits - but they need a lot of improvements #72 WanWizard

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Posted 5 March 2019 - 13:36

Also, displaying "(Hotswitchable DVB-C + DVB-S2 + DVB-T2)" in the about screen is imho silly, it takes up way to much space, it is useless/redundant info (show me a dynamic hybrid tuner that doesn't do all three), and it can abriviated.

 

Same here:

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And why does it say "not configured"? It clearly is, as the PIG shows...


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Re: Multituner: First commits - but they need a lot of improvements #73 littlesat

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Posted 5 March 2019 - 13:49

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Re: Multituner: First commits - but they need a lot of improvements #74 littlesat

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Posted 5 March 2019 - 13:52

And how does your config screen looks like? There are sats configurered it might be the not configured is coming from there...

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Re: Multituner: First commits - but they need a lot of improvements #75 littlesat

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Posted 5 March 2019 - 14:29

I think the message not configured can come from no sat positions configured... cosmetic... but need to be fixed.

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Re: Multituner: First commits - but they need a lot of improvements #76 WanWizard

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Posted 5 March 2019 - 14:32

I think the message not configured can come from no sat positions configured... cosmetic... but need to be fixed.

 

Possible, only DVB-T is configured. I don't have any sat coax in my office.


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Re: Multituner: First commits - but they need a lot of improvements #77 littlesat

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Posted 5 March 2019 - 14:34

Thanks for reporting... I see some cosmetic work needs to be done... i tested here with V8 and dvb-c+s2... should I make it autoswitch and then compress it to auto dvb-s2+c+t2+atsc

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Re: Multituner: First commits - but they need a lot of improvements #78 zeros

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Posted 5 March 2019 - 14:38

In my case, I have Si2169-D.
D as I can understand, means Dual Digital TV Demodulators?
In my case, I have in my Triple tuner three inputs: two F-plugs (F-type), and one dvb t connector for DVB-T(2)/DVB-C. That's what I thought so far.
Now I have a theoretical interest, if all the three inputs are equal (if it is so), can I use F's for DVB-T/DVB-C.
I'll let you know, I can make that test. If there's no filters there, then that's probably it.
If talk about detection, I can't imagine, how?

About #72 WanWizard
I can all of them separately turn on, and turn off, what is imho really good. If I turn it off, *No* Picture and no restart needed for that in my case.

I may do a new Youtube video. For my box all very well, but I understand that everyone is not happy. (Ok, yes, the small things can improve, the names on Skin etc.)


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Re: Multituner: First commits - but they need a lot of improvements #79 WanWizard

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Posted 5 March 2019 - 14:43

A dynamic hybrid tuner needs two inputs, one F-connector for DVB-S2, and one coax, for DVB-C/DVB-T2. I don't see how you can have three tuners with those inputs. And dynamic switching between DVB-C and DVB-T2 might not always be possible, as there is some possible overlap in the frequency ranges.

 

NB: I consider a hybrid tuner one tuner, as only one DVB type can be active at the same time.

 

Not sure why you refer to #72. All I said there was that the "not configured" message was incorrect?


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Re: Multituner: First commits - but they need a lot of improvements #80 littlesat

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Posted 5 March 2019 - 14:46

Dmm’s tuners are not hotswitchable... you can select one mode at once...

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